"Shout from the highest mountain top"...your charities/good causes

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Originally Posted by dsirkle

Matthew 6:1-34

“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. ...

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Wow where is this comming from. Sorry I didn't comment on this sooner but I see it now and I I have to. Just a little before that passage we see this passage.

Matthew 5:14-16

Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

So which is it. Should we let our good works glorify our father or should we hide them.

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Originally Posted by Egapal

Wow where is this comming from. Sorry I didn't comment on this sooner but I see it now and I I have to. Just a little before that passage we see this passage.

Matthew 5:14-16

Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

So which is it. Should we let our good works glorify our father or should we hide them.

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LOL.

Reckon it sort of depends on why you're needing the attention to begin with.

Your book bites its own tail very often. It is no problem to find opposing texts for almost any situation.

One of the reasons I don't buy most of what's in it.

Sure you can go right ahead, your place in heaven is assured. No, don't do that, you'll go straight to hell.

How about we look at the person. What's THEIR motivation?

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Originally Posted by Egapal

Wow where is this comming from. Sorry I didn't comment on this sooner but I see it now and I I have to. Just a little before that passage we see this passage.

Matthew 5:14-16

Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

So which is it. Should we let our good works glorify our father or should we hide them.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

LOL.

Reckon it sort of depends on why you're needing the attention to begin with.

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Wes has the right of it, although I could debate much of what followed. But I won't turn this thread into a religious debate. :P

The point of the passage that Dale quoted is that if the only reason you do good deeds for others is so that MEN will applaud you and lift you up and make you feel good about yourself, then that is all the reward you can expect to gain from those "good deeds".

If your motivation is truly the good of others and the glory of God, then it doesn't matter if the deeds are public or private, God knows your heart and will reward you accordingly. Ideally, everything we do as Christians should reflect God's love and glory in a million little ways we never even realize...and that is the light upon the hill that He wants to see.

This is NOT meant to preach to anyone or force an idea on anyone...just an explanation of how those two passages relate to each other, because someone asked. :)

while on the subject can i ask *serious question* the snake with adam and eve is it God or the devil lol

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Originally Posted by dembonez

while on the subject can i ask *serious question* the snake with adam and eve is it God or the devil lol

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Don't think I've ever heard anyone suggest that the "snake" was God. That's a new one. And no, I don't think it was. :P But seriously, the topics of religious and Biblical theory should be taken to QT. Feel free to start a thread there with questions like that, if you wish. :)

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Originally Posted by wilomn

LOL.
Your book bites its own tail very often. It is no problem to find opposing texts for almost any situation.

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Not my book. I just like using the the bible to refute the bible. Bible thumpers really only like to accept the bible as the truth so its best to find an argument against the bible in the bible. Luckily its not hard most of the time.

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Originally Posted by dembonez

while on the subject can i ask *serious question* the snake with adam and eve is it God or the devil lol

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How about a third option of the snake was a snake. Best place to find that answer is in the book in question.

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Originally Posted by Egapal

Wow where is this comming from. Sorry I didn't comment on this sooner but I see it now and I I have to. Just a little before that passage we see this passage.

Matthew 5:14-16

Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

So which is it. Should we let our good works glorify our father or should we hide them.

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Your passage is exactly as you think it to be. You are to preach the word of God. You are not to preach in secret but for all to see.

Now to the previoius passage.

This passage is meant to make you understand that if you preach the word of God, just for the glory of men, then you are not following the word of God. If you are looking for praise from men instead of your heavenly father, then you are not preaching the true word of God.

Both passage are easy to understand if you in fact want to understand.

Preach the word of God for God, not mankind.

Really simple if you know the word,
Jim Smith

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Originally Posted by j_h_smith

Your passage is exactly as you think it to be. You are to preach the word of God. You are not to preach in secret but for all to see.

Now to the previoius passage.

This passage is meant to make you understand that if you preach the word of God, just for the glory of men, then you are not following the word of God. If you are looking for praise from men instead of your heavenly father, then you are not preaching the true word of God.

Both passage are easy to understand if you in fact want to understand.

Preach the word of God for God, not mankind.

Really simple if you know the word,
Jim Smith

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I think its a little presumptuous of you to tell me how to interpret the bible. I can read quite well thank you and have read the bible from cover to cover. The passage doesn't say anything about preaching the word of God. There are in fact other passages that cover that quite well. I interpret "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." to mean that you should show the good works that you do to your fellow man and to glorify God. I don't need any additional interpretation by anyone thanks, its pretty clear to me what it says. As for the passage that was first brought up that comes later I will concede that it refers to your reasons for showing your good deeds to others. Non of us should presume to know the reasons of another person unless they tell us those reasons. Its ludicrous to me that a person would bring up a bible passage as a reason not to talk about the good works they have done. Are you defending that use?

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Originally Posted by Egapal

Wow where is this comming from. Sorry I didn't comment on this sooner but I see it now and I I have to. Just a little before that passage we see this passage.

Matthew 5:14-16

Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

So which is it. Should we let our good works glorify our father or should we hide them.

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Originally Posted by j_h_smith
Your passage is exactly as you think it to be. You are to preach the word of God. You are not to preach in secret but for all to see.

Now to the previoius passage.

This passage is meant to make you understand that if you preach the word of God, just for the glory of men, then you are not following the word of God. If you are looking for praise from men instead of your heavenly father, then you are not preaching the true word of God.

Both passage are easy to understand if you in fact want to understand.

Preach the word of God for God, not mankind.

Really simple if you know the word,
Jim Smith

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Originally Posted by Egapal

I think its a little presumptuous of you to tell me how to interpret the bible. I can read quite well thank you and have read the bible from cover to cover. The passage doesn't say anything about preaching the word of God. There are in fact other passages that cover that quite well. I interpret "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." to mean that you should show the good works that you do to your fellow man and to glorify God. I don't need any additional interpretation by anyone thanks, its pretty clear to me what it says. As for the passage that was first brought up that comes later I will concede that it refers to your reasons for showing your good deeds to others. Non of us should presume to know the reasons of another person unless they tell us those reasons. Its ludicrous to me that a person would bring up a bible passage as a reason not to talk about the good works they have done. Are you defending that use?

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Are you kidding mer? You asked a question about the verses in question. Check out the bold text in your original message. I gave you an answer to your question and you think I'm presumptuous? I wonder why you didn't go off on Judy like this? Makes me wonder.

What did you expect? You asked what the difference was, not me. I gave you the answer and you think I'm wrong for telling you the difference.

As to your last question, if you really want an answer, yes. I do not believe it is right for you to brag about what you do in this world.

BTW, where did you receive your Doctorate in Religion?
Jim Smith