Re: Do all morphs get "head wobble"?
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Genetics Breeder
You even did so on another thread where the person was deciding between a spider and a pinstripe, arguing that the pinstripe didn't wobble, so it was the obvious choice.
That's not arguing. I said it wouldn't have problems if it was a pin. Other people said that also. EVERYONE else said that they would also get the pinstripe, and the person that started the thread was asking for oppinions. They ended up deciding to get the pinstripe. Go read the thread if you want.
The OP of the other thread that you commented on was strickly asking which snake they should get. Nothing about that thread had anything to do with the spider wobble, except when YOU and YOU alone brought it up!
Me and the others were suggesting getting the pinstripe because the OP was already planning on getting a bumblebee so getting the pinstripe female would help diversify their collection and their future breeding plans.
Re: Do all morphs get "head wobble"?
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Genetics Breeder
I think quality of life is an animal living happily. The people that posted above thought it meant that it was staying alive (eating, breeding, and growing)
So how do you quantify happiness in a ball python? Most of us who work with them will quantify it with the fact that they eat, breed and grow. Unhappy = stressed. Stressed = not eating, not breeding, contracting illnesses as a result of a suppressed immune system from being stressed.
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Go read the thread if you want.
I did read it.
Re: Do all morphs get "head wobble"?
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Genetics Breeder
It's when they 'pretend' or 'lie' that the spider problems aren't as bad that it annoys me.
I am not pretending nor lying. I tell everyone that all spiders spin. I also tell them that it's been my personal experience, working with them, that the majority of them are unaffected in their quality of life by this condition.
You don't own one, you've only observed them at shows. You have no hands on experience working with them that would lend you the legitimacy to determine that it's so bad.
Re: Do all morphs get "head wobble"?
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AZmorphedballs
The OP of the other thread that you commented on was strickly asking which snake they should get. Nothing about that thread had anything to do with the spider wobble, except when YOU and YOU alone brought it up!
Me and the others were suggesting getting the pinstripe because the OP was already planning on getting a bumblebee so getting the pinstripe female would help diversify their collection and their future breeding plans.
Either way, I was writing my opinion, which was the same as everyone else. A pinstripe. I didn't argue about it, I just wrote some good things about if they got a pinstripe. I put that it wouldn't wobble, then listed some of the morphs they could get. They posted later that they would get pinstripe to make jigsaws. I wrote that earlier in the thread.
Re: Do all morphs get "head wobble"?
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Genetics Breeder
It seems like you are trying to make my sound bad instead of admitting the problems with spiders, affecting their quality of life.
How exactly is it affecting their quality of life? Have you asked a spider how his/her quality of life is? Of course not. So how do you judge that their quality of life is inferior to any other ball python. Just because it has a movement that you don't like?
Re: Do all morphs get "head wobble"?
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Reakt20
Just because you don't get it doesn't mean others won't when they read this and personally I have better things to do than argue with you. You say one thing and claim another.When did I do that? Write ONE time I did that. Quote it.
Your denial, ignorance, and arrogance is out of control and this is obvious if you read the thread.
You can keep repeating that, but you're not showing where I said it.Sorry to whoever started this thread. It wasn't my intention to jump in but i felt somebody had to. This guy/girl is a piece of work so have fun with him/her. Peace.
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Re: Do all morphs get "head wobble"?
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rabernet
How exactly is it affecting their quality of life? Have you asked a spider how his/her quality of life is? Of course not. So how do you judge that their quality of life is inferior to any other ball python. Just because it has a movement that you don't like?
I don't dislike the movement.
In the other thread, they said that their spider was already having problems. Quote:
Anyway, at the last Tucson Reptile Show we purchased 2 hatchling females from a local breeder we know. One, a spider would not eat anything for us and always seemed very skittish and easily stressed (for a ball even). We tried just about everything you can try to get a finicky ball to take a meal. Finally the breeder offered to take her back and get her eating.
If an animal can't control their movements, how happy can they be? It's obvious that when they strike and miss, they aren't trying to miss.
