Pat the baby biak green tree python

Hard to stop at 1, or 2,or 3, or 4, etc!

So many cool animals out there. So many colors, patterns, sizes, shapes, requirements, etc.

Pat is Kool and the Gang.

You have to get a little red one !!

I had a red and yellow one. The yellow started changing first, the red also took longer to finish turning green.

Get a red one, we need 2 threads like this one ;)

You need an ETB that's the next step to an arboreal addiction!

I hate you John! I keep telling Kendall I need a GTP. She politely points out we are house shopping, and Gene needs a 6' or 8' enclosure. So I think that's her way of saying no.


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You have to get a little red one !!

I had a red and yellow one. The yellow started changing first, the red also took longer to finish turning green.

Get a red one, we need 2 threads like this one ;)

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I know lol. I have some rather larger bills that need to be taken care of atm but come summer, i should have a little disposable income which maybe i can sneak into a little red neo :D

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You know i thought about that but after looking at them, there is just something about their head size/shape that turns me off. I'm normally a boa guy which is why i actually looked at an ETB first but ended up with a GTP. Probably just stick to another one and get a little red neo Sorong or Manokwari mix, something that will have a good amount of blue as I've been told red neos tend to blue up a lot more than yellow neos.

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I hate you John! I keep telling Kendall I need a GTP. She politely points out we are house shopping, and Gene needs a 6' or 8' enclosure. So I think that's her way of saying no.


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Lol. Just tell her they dont take up much room so the costs would be pretty minimal. And i thought Gene had a 6 foot cage already? If not, i would for sure say go for an 8 foot cage. If i had to do it over, i would get Caesar an 8 footer and be done with it. Luckily, i can still use the 6 footer for Gina once i end up sizing Caesar up.

About the perch turning issue. You have those zip tie holders so you should be able to etch the end of one side of the dowel then thread a decent sized zip tie straight down )or through the side depending on if you cut the holder) to keep it from spinning. No need to close the zip tie just drop it straight down with the "head" on top. This way you can still remove the dowel but it should be enough to stop rotation.

If you want to get more precise you can drill a hole into the dowel (at a distance from the end so it doesn't splinter) and thread a zip tie through the holder and dowel while leaving the zip tie open so you can remove the dowel. If you don't remove the dowel just close the zip tie to make it even more secure.

Well i got it all squared away. I just had to go crazy with the dremel and grind out 3 flat sides and it worked. I had to take Pat out to do it and was worried this might be end bad. Was actually effortless. Pat was sleeping on his plant so i quietly unclipped the plant and moved it. Pat work up and looked at me and sat there while i put him and the whole plant in his old tub. I then went about redoing the whole cage. When i went to put Pat back, he seemed more curious about checking out my hand over going into the cage. I finally coaxed him off his plant onto the plant in the cage. He then explored a little bit and decided to go to sleep on a perch behind a Prayer Plant leaf. I was able to add his old Pothos back in the cage too. So now he has his Prayer and Pothos plants, a large water bowl, 2 suspended water dishes, 5.0 UVB light and daylight light. Here he is when i finally coaxed him onto the plant in his cage. He is getting so big. I had to upgrade him to 1/2 inch oak dowels. Hard to believe he is about 1/2 inch thick now except his neck which is still skinny lol.
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I swear Sauzo, your snakes live better than me! What a lap of luxury!

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Well i got it all squared away. I just had to go crazy with the dremel and grind out 3 flat sides and it worked. I had to take Pat out to do it and was worried this might be end bad. Was actually effortless. Pat was sleeping on his plant so i quietly unclipped the plant and moved it. Pat work up and looked at me and sat there while i put him and the whole plant in his old tub. I then went about redoing the whole cage. When i went to put Pat back, he seemed more curious about checking out my hand over going into the cage. I finally coaxed him off his plant onto the plant in the cage. He then explored a little bit and decided to go to sleep on a perch behind a Prayer Plant leaf. I was able to add his old Pothos back in the cage too. So now he has his Prayer and Pothos plants, a large water bowl, 2 suspended water dishes, 5.0 UVB light and daylight light. Here he is when i finally coaxed him onto the plant in his cage. He is getting so big. I had to upgrade him to 1/2 inch oak dowels. Hard to believe he is about 1/2 inch thick now except his neck which is still skinny lol.
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Livin The Dream that snake is. Setup is so cool.


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That's exactly what I thought to myself. I was just to lazy to type it

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We all want our children to have a better life than we had, right?

Nice work Sauzo! That tank looks amazing!

Haha, yeah i do kind of try and spoil my snakes. I've always grown up with the thought of an animal confined in a cage is 100% reliant on it's keeper to provide it with the correct care. If you cant do that, then do the animal a favor and give it to someone who can. It's really hard for me to not overfeed my snakes as I'm the kind of person that also hates to see any animal go hungry. That combined with snakes being opportunistic feeders just makes it even harder for me :) Anyways, here is Pat bonding with his Prayer Plant leaf lol. I think he thinks 'no one can see me!!' The thing that i dont think Pat knows is Prayer plants will fold their leaves at night which will leave him open haha.
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Haha, yeah i do kind of try and spoil my snakes. I've always grown up with the thought of an animal confined in a cage is 100% reliant on it's keeper to provide it with the correct care. If you cant do that, then do the animal a favor and give it to someone who can. It's really hard for me to not overfeed my snakes as I'm the kind of person that also hates to see any animal go hungry. That combined with snakes being opportunistic feeders just makes it even harder for me :) Anyways, here is Pat bonding with his Prayer Plant leaf lol. I think he thinks 'no one can see me!!' The thing that i dont think Pat knows is Prayer plants will fold their leaves at night which will leave him open haha.
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Totally agree! They rely on us for everything. Our job to provide proper environment, food, etc.

It is nice to see people (many on this site) who take that seriously. I know you don’t skimp on care.

My tanks do not look nearly as pretty, however they are clean and have the correct husbandry.

My animals are happy, so I am too.

Is it harder to keep a tank like that clean? I go with paper substrate, plastic hides, etc.

Cleanliness is super important for both the animals and me. I am immune suppressed. I had a kidney transplant. I am not even supposed to garden outside.

I am super envious. I used to keep cichlids (fish) and had display tanks.

It would be cool to have a display tank for reptiles too. However, not in the cards.

Again, awesome work!

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Totally agree! They rely on us for everything. Our job to provide proper environment, food, etc.

It is nice to see people (many on this site) who take that seriously. I know you don’t skimp on care.

My tanks do not look nearly as pretty, however they are clean and have the correct husbandry.

My animals are happy, so I am too.

Is it harder to keep a tank like that clean? I go with paper substrate, plastic hides, etc.

Cleanliness is super important for both the animals and me. I am immune suppressed. I had a kidney transplant. I am not even supposed to garden outside.

I am super envious. I used to keep cichlids (fish) and had display tanks.

It would be cool to have a display tank for reptiles too. However, not in the cards.

Again, awesome work!

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Thanks. Well this is the only 'display' cage i got. The other snakes destroy anything nice i give them lol. They get 1-2 hides and a water bowl haha. I gave Caesar a 6 foot vine along the back wall of his cage when he was a baby and he got stuck in it and i had to cut it off him. That was our first bonding time.

As for taking more time to clean, not really as Pat is pretty clean and seems to come down on the floor and poop and piss and then go back up. I have found 1 piece on a plant leaf ever. i just use paper towels for his floor. Makes it easy to just roll up and toss out and lay down fresh paper towels. Also makes it easier to keep humidity up as i just mist the paper towel and the real plant's soil and it keeps humidity plenty and then once it dries out, i just re mist. I dont mist Pat or the perches anymore. I did when i first got him but he honestly doesnt seem to like to be sprayed with water really.

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Thanks. Well this is the only 'display' cage i got. The other snakes destroy anything nice i give them lol. They get 1-2 hides and a water bowl haha. I gave Caesar a 6 foot vine along the back wall of his cage when he was a baby and he got stuck in it and i had to cut it off him. That was our first bonding time.

As for taking more time to clean, not really as Pat is pretty clean and seems to come down on the floor and poop and piss and then go back up. I have found 1 piece on a plant leaf ever. i just use paper towels for his floor. Makes it easy to just roll up and toss out and lay down fresh paper towels. Also makes it easier to keep humidity up as i just mist the paper towel and the real plant's soil and it keeps humidity plenty and then once it dries out, i just re mist. I dont mist Pat or the perches anymore. I did when i first got him but he honestly doesnt seem to like to be sprayed with water really.

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Pretty cool that Pat comes down from his perch to use the toilet!

I totally understand the advantage of keeping enclosures basic and not display tanks. For all the reasons I mentioned, as well as the destruction factor! Caesar seems to get himself in a lot of trouble, huh? Vines, stuck teeth, etc.

My BP, Shayna, likes to climb, and hide, etc. but is not good at the climbing and does just fine with plastic hides. My RHP's in the new 6X2X1 boaphile tanks are covered with plastic on the sides, so the snakes cannot climb on them.

In Shayna's first enclosure (after she outgrew the ten gallon), a 4X2X2', I installed the RHP myself. No way she could get on that thing, she's too big! Well, she managed to get stuck/wrapped around the RHP (which of course was on a thermostat and not too hot) and in between the bolts/screws! That was a fun bonding moment for us too, unbolting the RHP to get her down. She is sooooooo tame though. She just sat and watched me. I learned my lesson quick. So, I sealed the holes between the bolts and, for a short period, before she got too big, she would climb up and wrap around the whole thing. I would randomly hear "thump" in the night when she feel a few inches down.

Anyway, most snakes do not exactly respect their environment. They will waste on everything, wrap anything, pull anything, and escape from anything, if possible! Plus, the bigger they are, the more damage they are capable of! A snake that can eat a rabbit can probably destroy anything we put in there, even if they weren't trying.

I will give my Leopard Geckos credit, they always poop in the same spot (well, 99% of the time). Very easy to clean their tanks! Also a big poop from them is penny sized! Frank, the BTS, usually goes on the hot side of his tank, but often and there is a lot. So, no bonus there.

Thanks for showing off your display tank Sauzo, and for being honest about not having all the tanks looking that cool!

I think sometimes people forget we care how the tanks look more than the reptiles most of the time.

A reptile checklist is pretty simple:

1. Heat (and proper temps)?
2. Humidity correct?
3. Hides (am I safe)?
4. Correct food?
5. Clean?

I don't think good looking enclosure is on there!

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Pretty cool that Pat comes down from his perch to use the toilet!

I totally understand the advantage of keeping enclosures basic and not display tanks. For all the reasons I mentioned, as well as the destruction factor! Caesar seems to get himself in a lot of trouble, huh? Vines, stuck teeth, etc.

My BP, Shayna, likes to climb, and hide, etc. but is not good at the climbing and does just fine with plastic hides. My RHP's in the new 6X2X1 boaphile tanks are covered with plastic on the sides, so the snakes cannot climb on them.

In Shayna's first enclosure (after she outgrew the ten gallon), a 4X2X2', I installed the RHP myself. No way she could get on that thing, she's too big! Well, she managed to get stuck/wrapped around the RHP (which of course was on a thermostat and not too hot) and in between the bolts/screws! That was a fun bonding moment for us too, unbolting the RHP to get her down. She is sooooooo tame though. She just sat and watched me. I learned my lesson quick. So, I sealed the holes between the bolts and, for a short period, before she got too big, she would climb up and wrap around the whole thing. I would randomly hear "thump" in the night when she feel a few inches down.

Anyway, most snakes do not exactly respect their environment. They will waste on everything, wrap anything, pull anything, and escape from anything, if possible! Plus, the bigger they are, the more damage they are capable of! A snake that can eat a rabbit can probably destroy anything we put in there, even if they weren't trying.

I will give my Leopard Geckos credit, they always poop in the same spot (well, 99% of the time). Very easy to clean their tanks! Also a big poop from them is penny sized! Frank, the BTS, usually goes on the hot side of his tank, but often and there is a lot. So, no bonus there.

Thanks for showing off your display tank Sauzo, and for being honest about not having all the tanks looking that cool!

I think sometimes people forget we care how the tanks look more than the reptiles most of the time.

A reptile checklist is pretty simple:

1. Heat (and proper temps)?
2. Humidity correct?
3. Hides (am I safe)?
4. Correct food?
5. Clean?

I don't think good looking enclosure is on there!

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Haha yeah Caesar is by far the biggest trouble maker of the bunch. Ironically, the second one is probably Dottie my pied BP. She likes to sit on her shelf but sometimes she falls off and i hear the thud too. A few times she fell in her water dish so you hear a half thud/splash which is real fun as water splashes all over the front of the sliding doors. The boas are actually pretty good for the most part but yeah, them and the other snakes will bulldoze anything neat you put in the cage.

And yeah, i usually dont do the whole display cages as i believe in the checklist too. Plus keeping it simple makes cleaning and spotting problems a lot easier. Pat is different but it still is fairly simple. I dont use a substrate for the flooring for the the simple reason of paper towels is easier to spot poops and piss. I might switch him to something like Reptichips when he moves to his PVC cage as his poops and pisses will be a lot bigger and easier to spot but right now, a big poop for him is the size of an adult rat dropping.

Another reason for the paper towels was i wanted to make sure Pat was regular on pooping as the biggest issue with baby GTPs is prolapse. It's been about 2 months now and he is stuffing food in the toothy end and producing chocolate out the skinny end so everything seems to be going as normal.

Have you noticed they like it cooler? I started about 86 and now am down to 84 for the day and around 81 at night and that seems to make things much better. What's pat's temps at and are you noticing cooler makes them happier?

If you do ever get the dreaded prolapse and need reassurance just ask, I am now the prolapse queen ;) I doubt you are going to suffer that as you have a great eater and drinker.

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Have you noticed they like it cooler? I started about 86 and now am down to 84 for the day and around 81 at night and that seems to make things much better. What's pat's temps at and are you noticing cooler makes them happier?

If you do ever get the dreaded prolapse and need reassurance just ask, I am now the prolapse queen ;) I doubt you are going to suffer that as you have a great eater and drinker.

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I give Pat a hot spot of 86F on the top perch in the back right corner. Then the temps extend all the way down anywhere from 77-79F. Pat seems fairly happy. He moves around during the course of the day. Lat night he was sitting on the middle of top perch. Then this morning, he was directly under the heater for the day and recently he moved back to the top of his plant on the left side. I go through all that work to re do his perches and he still goes back to that plant!! I swear, he loves that thing. I wonder what he is going to do when he outgrows being able to sit on top of it lol.

And honestly, for the temps, i just keep the small CHE like i said, i the back right corner and the rest of the cage is room temp. The CHE is only a 40 watt nano so it doesnt put out that much heat. I personally wouldnt heat them up too much especially babies as they can dehydrate pretty quick. Warmer it is, the faster they dehydrate plus you add in food digestion.

Anyways, here's Pat on top of his plant again!! After all that work i put into using the dremel to get his perches perfect. Little booger!
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I go through all that work to re do his perches and he still goes back to that plant!! I swear, he loves that thing. I wonder what he is going to do when he outgrows being able to sit on top of it lol.

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Haha i hope not. He does love his plant but i catch him perching all over the place at night and during the day. Right now, he is coiled up around the back perch on the left side. He was watching me replace his paper towels. Just saw his little face peek from around a plant as he watched me lol.

Well after Pat watched me change his paper towels, he decided there was a better perch spot......the wire for humidity gauge.....crazy little snake.
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Well after Pat watched me change his paper towels, he decided there was a better perch spot......the wire for humidity gauge.....crazy little snake.
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HAHAHAHAHA!!! You finally get to experience the "noooooooo stop perching on the wires you little demon!" Ganja has been doing that for the better part of a week now and I am going to have to get her off and secure down the wires tighter. It is so annoying!

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HAHAHAHAHA!!! You finally get to experience the "noooooooo stop perching on the wires you little demon!" Ganja has been doing that for the better part of a week now and I am going to have to get her off and secure down the wires tighter. It is so annoying!

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Lol yeah this is Pat's first time. It's fine as he is small and its just the humidity gauge wire which is attached with a suction cup. And honestly, him perching there gives me a better view of him lol. Usually during the day, he is either on a perch behind one of the plants, on the top perch under his heater or in/on top of one of his plants. At night though its funny as i'll catch him a lot of times playing in his big water bowl on the floor or since i remodeled his cage, he likes to sit on top of the plant at the front corner of the cage and curl up and look outside. He'll sit there for hours just staring out the front door of the cage.

Well, we had a dilemma today!! The reptile shop was out of live pinkies and fuzzys!! So i decided today was good as any to try a FT fuzzy. Well after about 10 secs of investigating it, Pat snatched it from the tongs, hung down and coiled it and scarfed it down in about 1.5 mins lol. It was a bit on the big side but he had no problems and after wards went up to the top perch and curled up to sleep again. Good to know Pat is a garbage can like the other snakes and will eat anything hung in front of his face haha.

Sounds like Bubbles and my Boa Anubis, my new babies didn’t eat last week so after I fed Bubbles his small rat he was back out of his hide cruising around looking for more, so I just tossed him the rat pup and he gobbled that one up too....Anubis is well ALWAYS hungry lol she got the other rat pup last Wednesday cause Odin wasn’t having it (he was in blue) and then fed her again last night (keep her and Ramsey on the same feeding schedule) lol


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Check out this new Pothos I picked up today while shopping for plants for everyone. It's a marbled Pothos. Cant wait for it to get big like the one in back. Pat looked at it when i put it in there and then climbed up onto the humidity wire and perched up there. I dont think he is too happy atm as now his lower perch is more exposed as i switched out the prayer plant for the marble pothos which is a lot smaller atm. We'll see what he thinks come night time when he comes down to investigate it as well as take his nightly swim in his water bowl lol.
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Caught Pat after lights out doing what he does the best, cruise all over. This little guy is just a ball of energy come about 30 mins after lights out. During the day he is a slug though. You will catch him in 1 of 3 spots, the top perch on the left side, the bottom perch on the right side, or on top of his front left plant. And twice now, i've caught him balancing on the temp/humidity probe wires.
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After that hard night of cruising, i caught Pat relaxing. Looks kind of uncomfortable to me but i guess it works for him.
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We just got a baby biak and it looks much like Pat :)

Eager to see more of Pat's Adventures.

Lol today was feeding day for him. he was sleeping on the front lower perch and when i first put the mouse by him, i guess he thought i was bugging him as he kind covered his head lol. But then i guess he smelled the mouse and perked right up and popped out to follow it as i kind of dragged it away. Then he struck and coiled it. I'm so glad he doesnt seem aggressive. He hissed a few times when i first got him and touched him with a leaf of a plant when changing water and stuff but now, he seems pretty curious when i put my hand in there to change water. He just looks at me and when i accidently touch him with a plant leaf, he just sits there or kind of scoots over a little. Figure I'll give it another month or two and then i will probably start taking him out on his perch and letting him see outside as well as just putting my hand flat under him and letting him check me out and hopefully he will get curious and crawl on me. He did try and crawl on me when i re did his perches and had to move him on his plant to his old tub while i worked on his cage. When i went to put him back, he actually crawled onto my hand a little and checked me out and wasnt too much in a hurry to get back to his cage lol. Seems like a good sign.

And yeah these little buggers are addictive. I want a red neo now. Something like a biak/aru cross. Seen a few that were just mindblowing on color and pattern.

Caught this pic of Pat surveying the floor probably hoping a mouse wanders by. Little guy always wants food. I think he might be getting a little chubby lol.
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Pat found a new sleeping spot. The pothos are growing fast and starting to create all kinds of places for Pat to hang out around. When i changed his paper towels today as he took a piss last night, i guess i woke him up as he poked his head out from under the leaf and tracked my hand lol. I was waiting for him to zap me but he just sat there and ended up curling back up. Guess i didnt smell like a little F/T mouse.
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Alright, another pic here!! Pat playing peekaboo in his water bowl last night lol.
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Alright, another pic here!! Pat playing peekaboo in his water bowl last night lol.
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What's size enclosure do you need for a GTP? Need me a GTP now!

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What's size enclosure do you need for a GTP? Need me a GTP now!

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Most people say for neos. something like a 6 qt tub or so. But i got Pat in a 18x18x18 Zoo Med cube. Really depends on on the snake. Some dont take well to lots of room while others are fine with.

As for adults, i was told males can use a 2x2x2 cube and females a 3x2x2. I do plan to get Pat a 4x2x3 though maybe this summer. Really depends how much he grows before the end of summer. He's still just a baby neo, just cracking the 18 inch mark based on him stretching out in his cube.

They are pretty entertaining. Nothing like a retic but much more relaxing lol. I can just sit and watch Pat at night and he plays all over. He seems fairly oblivious to me unless i wiggle the corner of a paper towel near him. Then he immediately turns and looks at it lol.

Heck i want another GTP. Want to put together another little Zoo Med cube and get me a red neo :D

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Alright, another pic here!! Pat playing peekaboo in his water bowl last night lol.
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I committed to no more new snakes for the year after I got a new dumeril's boa in January. But this face - it erodes my willpower.

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Haha yeah, it is cute one. He always is poking around the front at night. A lot of times he will hang on with his tail on the left side plant and see how far out across the cage he can stretch. A few times, he has taken a swan dive too lol. At night, he is so crazy. All over the place getting into every little spot he can find. Then come morning, he is a slug usually sleeping under his new spot on the lower perch under his pothos leaf since the old one has grown pretty good now and offers all kinds of little hiding places.

Well, i decided to buck the trend and use Reptichips as substrate. Hopefully Pat likes it. Gonna play heck trying to find poops in it lol. Also added a front perch as Pat is a ball of energy at night so decided to give him something else to climb on as well. Pat got all worked up when i tore his cage apart. He moved across his back top perch and watched me work. Then when i was done, he came to the front, looked at his new perch and poked his head outside the cage, then turned around and went back in and back to his sleeping spot on the back left of his top perch. Anyways, here is the new set up.
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I think Pat digs his new front perch. This was set up to be a good pic except Pat hid his head behind his plastic plant at the last minute haha. He is definitely filling out as he was a little toothpick when i got him.
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Got a better pic of Pat as he is out like clockwork since the lights went out in the cages. It's amazing how much the little worm has grown in just the 3 months I've had him.

Here are pics from tonight.
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And a pic from when i first brought him home.
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His perches now are 1/2 inch oak dowels. When i brought him home, he was using plastic coat hangers at first then a couple days later, i switched him 3/8 inch perches.

And he's so happy, his markings are a goofy smiley face on the top of his head :)

Very nice indeed !!!

So where is the red one ?

I went to the Bessette's for one GTP and left with two.

LOL. I just could not only get a red or yellow, it was so difficult to choose !!

I like the look of the substrate much better, will smell better, too !! When I had my 2 babies on paper towels they sure could stink up the entire room. If you find cleaning (and finding poop) difficult, try Reptile Prime instead. Still looks beautiful but easier to spot clean for sure.

Pat is to cute :)

wow, they've grown so much!!! i always thought you'd lose them in that big enclosure one of these days, hahaha. they're definitely filling out nicely. i always love Pat updates. [emoji4]

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Very nice indeed !!!

So where is the red one ?

I went to the Bessette's for one GTP and left with two.

LOL. I just could not only get a red or yellow, it was so difficult to choose !!

I like the look of the substrate much better, will smell better, too !! When I had my 2 babies on paper towels they sure could stink up the entire room. If you find cleaning (and finding poop) difficult, try Reptile Prime instead. Still looks beautiful but easier to spot clean for sure.

Pat is to cute :)

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Thanks and lol, not getting a red one yet. I need to space out my excitement as I am reaching the limit on 'excitement' i can bring in the house haha.

And yeah, i might order a brick or bag or whatever that Reptile Prime comes in and try it. So far Pat seems to like the Reptichips. i caught him the last 2 nights down on the floor digging in it lol. It was like i had a skinny yellow boa for about 30 mins. Then he went in his water bowl to scuba steve it up and then back up top. He actually laid down relaxing on it next to his water bowl last night for about 30 mins.

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wow, they've grown so much!!! i always thought you'd lose them in that big enclosure one of these days, hahaha. they're definitely filling out nicely. i always love Pat updates. [emoji4]

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I was a bit worried when i first got him the cube but now i wish i would have gone one size up lol. After lights out, it seems kind of small for him. Think i might just go for an AP 3x2x2 instead of the 4x2x3. Most people have told me that the 3x2x2 would be a better size for a GTP. Still think with that size, i would be able to set up a nice set up with Manzanita perches, 2 big pothos and a bunch of hanging silk vines for Pat to swing from lol.

And thanks, i like taking pics of Pat. He is such a character at night.

We have a breakthrough!! I was changing the tinfoil on Pat's top as i changed over to a UTH on the side of the cage thinking it would hold more humidity longer while still giving a gradient. It failed. So i went back to the little Nano CHE in the back corner as that worked the best this whole time and gave Pat an awesome gradient.

Well while i had the top off and was redoing it, I look over and see Pat sitting on the rim of the top stretched out looking around. I decide now is as good of time as any to see if Pat is going to be the evil Biak or a nice Biak. I slowly put my hand under him and he took to it like a baby duck to water. He flicked his tongue and checked me out and then crawled right onto my arm and hand. My arm hairs kind of confused him so he was happier on the hand lol. But i was able to walk over and get the camera with him calmly sitting on my hand looking at stuff as we walked by. After a few mins, i opened the front door and showed him his middle perch and he decided to curl up on the top one while i worked on the finishing the cage top. I think i might get lucky and have a non killer Biak lol. Awesome first bonding between us. And it was at night even!! But he does get fed every 5-6 days so he isnt starving or anything.
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Well, we got breakthrough number 2. Pat was being his active little self so i opened the door and left it open to see what happened. Well, curious Pat came down to the open door and hang outside looking around. I slid my hand under him as he was half out the door and kind of just lifted him up and he just sat on me. Held him for a couple mins to just let him get used to being held but not long enough to stress him. I think put my hand on his top perch and he sat half on my hand and half on the perch. This is great except it's at night time as during the day, Pat is sleeping and gets kind of grumpy when you wake him. But now i can start working with him probably twice a week for a few mins at a time and just slowly extend the time and distance, i take him out of the cage.

Good to see Pat is still going strong. It almost looks big enough like you can start to reduce feeding to after a defecation now.

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Good to see Pat is still going strong. It almost looks big enough like you can start to reduce feeding to after a defecation now.

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Thanks. Yeah, he gets fed every 7 days now although I'll sometimes sneak him a meal 5-6 days in. He usually goes poop within 4 days if it's a bigger meal like a fuzzy mouse but if it's a pinkie, he will sometimes wait until the second one to go poop.

How is Ganja doing?

You are SOOOOOO smitten with that little guy, I love it :)

Should create a picture book "The adventures or Sauzo and Pat" :)


Did you know that there is actually a childrens book based on a GTP ? I think that is cool ;)

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You are SOOOOOO smitten with that little guy, I love it :)

Should create a picture book "The adventures or Sauzo and Pat" :)


Did you know that there is actually a childrens book based on a GTP ? I think that is cool ;)

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Lol thanks. And yeah, Caesar, Gina, Rango and Pat are little characters, well Caesar is a big character lol.

And yeah, a guy on FB said Pat looks just like the snake in the GTP picture book. I forgot the name though now as he just said the name and when i was like "huh?'. He told me to google the name and i found the kids book on it haha.

He was out in force tonight again but i silenced him with a nice juicy water injected fuzzy mouse. He ate it and is happily curled up on his top perch now kind of by the heater just relaxing lol.