Gene finally has a thread!

Gene not completely sold on cypress. Hasn't been on it since he was a baby. Tina on the other hand has been digging and mining. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...bf406a31c0.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...e0cdc85ade.jpg

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Still waiting on Gene to shed........https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...aebe169741.jpg

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Go Gene Go!!

Looking good.

Since I'm still waiting on Gene to shed, here a picture from a few no the back. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...393ab39403.jpg

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Since I'm still waiting on Gene to shed, here a picture from a few no the back. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...393ab39403.jpg

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Months*

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Someone finally shed, and pooped. I love that her had been using his hide lately (obviously removed). I called AP, now they are saying the end of June for the T8 & T10. Ugh, that's like 1r weeks before they even ship it.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...a69310dd14.jpg

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Wonderful pictures, such a lovely snake will look forward to more pictures.. Best wishes for both of you :D

Went on a little weekend trip with the kids. Came back to find Tina is shed and Gene being Gene.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...411295839d.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...2e9740dc4b.jpg

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Gene smoked some crack last night.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...0ee562f18d.jpg

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Gene smoked some crack last night.https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...0ee562f18d.jpg

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Haha, thats pretty funny pic.

Gene got his first Large rat. He seems to enjoy it.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...4e787cad63.jpg

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Sad part is that is what Caesar looks like eating a jumbo rat :( I was hoping Caesar would stay smaller but i dont think its going to happen. Like i said though, good thing he is mellow when he doesnt smell food. Kind of funny, i was petting him on the head today. Well guess i must have pet a little too hard or something as he got scared and immediately laid down in a like a submissive thing. I felt bad so i went to pet his body instead and i guess I irritated him as he shoved my hand away. Then he put his head on the litter dam and just relaxed after i went back to the computer lol.

And Gene's eyes are hilarious. He has like perma crack addict eyes hahaha. Vicky my sunglow gets the huge pupils like that when she thinks dinner is coming. That's how i can tell whether to touch her or prepare a glass door as a shield :rage:

General observation after Genes large rat on Saturday. One, the lump is already gone. Two, he's feeding response has changed. I used to be able to slide open his tub and he's eventually work his way out and rest his head on the ledge. Now he lunged at me when I slid it open. Strange.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...a28b1fbf50.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...9f93053b28.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...9e44d9bf27.jpg

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Probably hungry lol. Caesar's jumbo rat lump is gone in like 3 days and he's well mannered for about 4 days after. After that, when the door is slid open, he is out front like a bullet. It's also getting to be summer. I noticed all my snakes are much more active and 'hungry'. Even my beardie has become more alert and semi active(she has always been ultra lazy).

I fed Gene again last night, he is so lazy. He literally just picked his head up to grab the rat. It wasn't until I shook the :cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r: out of the rat tail that he decided to coil. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...01f4671546.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...a38c44ec81.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...9a4bc9daee.jpg

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Looks like I need to finish the stand this weekend. Finally!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...5b0095a6d2.jpg

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Gene is looking great and getting big too!

He's going to catch Caesar soon in size. Fed Caesar a jumbo rat 2 days ago and after he ate, he curled up on the cool side and i was looking and a jumbo rat isnt leaving much of a lump in him. I'm thinking either the 'jumbos' I get from my local shop are a bit on the small size this round or Caesar is growing more. I keep forgetting to weigh them.

And on a side note, Caesar dropped a huge deuce and i noticed he had a little smudge of poop on his chin so i went to wipe his chin with a wet paper towel and he wasnt into that. He tried to pull away so i had to hold him and wipe his chin. He did the usual thing of when he thinks he did something bad and just laid down on the cage floor with his head on the floor. I felt bad so i petted him and he swatted my hand away and then raised his head off the floor and rested it on the litter dam. He is so funny. Only snake i have that lays down right where he is if he thinks he did something wrong. Also the only snake i have who will swat my hand away if he doesnt want to be petted lol.

And grats on the cage shipping out. Awesome feeling when you know they are coming. I still got about a month left before mine ship out. And Gene is getting big. He might take off in size from the larges or jumbos. Caesar hasnt shed in a while after being on larges and jumbos. He's like the boas now though as he loves it when his cool side door is left open. He will sit next to it curled up or with just his head on the litter dam for hours.

Before I could even all Ally that they only shipped 2 but the packing slip said 3, she called. Told me the glass will be here tomorrow. Stand up company.

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He's going to catch Caesar soon in size. Fed Caesar a jumbo rat 2 days ago and after he ate, he curled up on the cool side and i was looking and a jumbo rat isnt leaving much of a lump in him. I'm thinking either the 'jumbos' I get from my local shop are a bit on the small size this round or Caesar is growing more. I keep forgetting to weigh them.

And on a side note, Caesar dropped a huge deuce and i noticed he had a little smudge of poop on his chin so i went to wipe his chin with a wet paper towel and he wasnt into that. He tried to pull away so i had to hold him and wipe his chin. He did the usual thing of when he thinks he did something bad and just laid down on the cage floor with his head on the floor. I felt bad so i petted him and he swatted my hand away and then raised his head off the floor and rested it on the litter dam. He is so funny. Only snake i have that lays down right where he is if he thinks he did something wrong. Also the only snake i have who will swat my hand away if he doesnt want to be petted lol.

And grats on the cage shipping out. Awesome feeling when you know they are coming. I still got about a month left before mine ship out. And Gene is getting big. He might take off in size from the larges or jumbos. Caesar hasnt shed in a while after being on larges and jumbos. He's like the boas now though as he loves it when his cool side door is left open. He will sit next to it curled up or with just his head on the litter dam for hours.

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Caesar and Gene are so much a like. I've never had a snake the seems to have emotion. I k ow they don't but if I piss him off he'll jerk his body ad if he keeps my hand away. When I still pull him out he is all sulky and has more puppy dog face than normal.

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Okay I know I have this before bimut it was months ago and probably in someone else's thread. I went with RHP because the apartment gets so cold and I couldn't keep my racks ambient up with out running a space heater. But in thebsummer we get up to 85*

Bob at pro heat told me to put the probe on the cool side. Thoughts, suggestions? And where, substrate level or halfway up?

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Caesar and Gene are so much a like. I've never had a snake the seems to have emotion. I k ow they don't but if I piss him off he'll jerk his body ad if he keeps my hand away. When I still pull him out he is all sulky and has more puppy dog face than normal.

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Hahaha exactly! Caesar does the exact same thing. I swear he has emotions too even though we know or think reptiles dont.

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Okay I know I have this before bimut it was months ago and probably in someone else's thread. I went with RHP because the apartment gets so cold and I couldn't keep my racks ambient up with out running a space heater. But in thebsummer we get up to 85*

Bob at pro heat told me to put the probe on the cool side. Thoughts, suggestions? And where, substrate level or halfway up?

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When i ran my RHP, i had the probe on the cool side set to 80F just high enough off the floor that the snake couldnt sit on it or pee or poop on it. I just secured it from the outside with a piece of foil tape and let it be able to swing inside so if the snake did manage to bump it, it would just swing back into position.

Some people will put the probe on the warm side to set the basking temp but i never liked that as you had no control over the cool side which is the most important side. A snake a little cold will live. A snake that is overheated will die or have neurological problems.

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When i ran my RHP, i had the probe on the cool side set to 80F just high enough off the floor that the snake couldnt sit on it or pee or poop on it. I just secured it from the outside with a piece of foil tape and let it be able to swing inside so if the snake did manage to bump it, it would just swing back into position.

Some people will put the probe on the warm side to set the basking temp but i never liked that as you had no control over the cool side which is the most important side. A snake a little cold will live. A snake that is overheated will die or have neurological problems.

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But don't you risk the hot side from getting too hot?

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Not really. For one, the snake can leave the hot spot if it gets too hot which is a good indication that your hot spot is too hot if the snake never uses it. Second, as long as you have the right size RHP, the hot side should only be about 10 degrees at tops difference.

Now my problem and why i quit running RHPs was that in my 4x2 cages, i had the cool side set to 80F but my hot side would only get to about 5F higher so in order to get a nice 90F hot side, the cool side would sit around 84F or so. Plus i keep my house set to around 75-77F and the basement stays warmer since it is half buried underground so it sits around 78-80F. With a RHP set to cool side temps, it would never come on so i had no hot side. With the probe set on hot side temp, the cool side would go up to 84-85F which made whichever snake was in that cage go ballistic and push 24/7 as my boas seem to actually prefer it around 78-80F.

IMO optimally, it would be to run a small RHP just to set the ambient and then use flexwatt to set the hot spots but that would be a lot more expensive than what i do now which is in the winter, i just run an oil filled radiator in the room until it gets to 80F. Then i set the radiators t-stat but I'm thinking of picking up a Herpstat HP t-stat to run my radiator.

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Silly snek, nachos are for hoomans!


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Any issues if the tanks over hang the stand a little? Maybe a 1/2"? I haven't finished the final table and my impatient a$$ can't wait to get these up.

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Any issues if the tanks over hang the stand a little? Maybe a 1/2"? I haven't finished the final table and my impatient a$$ can't wait to get these up.

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Should be fine. Even the AP stands have about a 1/2" lip all the way around.

Sad at 33 I think I've lost my mind. When I ordered a new thermostat I didn't really think to much and just got a 1 instead of a 2. At the time not a big deal because I'm running a herpstat 1 on the racks with zero problems. Nut I didn't take in consideration the dial in times prior to pit the snakes on the new enclosures. Do I just set one enclosure up (T8 or T10?) Dial in the numbers for the RHP and thermostat. Once it's where I need it, move the snakes and the herpstat from the rack and install it and dial in the numbers (duplicate) as the previous one?

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You would get close setting up one cage, either/or, and then doing the same settings for the second cage but they're going to be different I almost guarantee. The floor in the top cage will get warmer with less power, because the heat from the RHP below it will rise into the cage above. My lower T8 is set to 87-88 and keeps 80 cool side, top T8 set to 85 and the hot spot will reach 91-93 but the cool side is 79. The top RHP works more to keep the ambient temp good while getting a hot spot from the lower cage's heat rising upward, and the lower one is working better for hot spot and ambient together but has a more narrow temp gradient. This is with the probes fed in through the channel for the RHP cord and set about 2.5-3" above the substrate. Tinkered with mine for a bit and still do occasionally when the seasons change.


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You would get close setting up one cage, either/or, and then doing the same settings for the second cage but they're going to be different I almost guarantee. The floor in the top cage will get warmer with less power, because the heat from the RHP below it will rise into the cage above. My lower T8 is set to 87-88 and keeps 80 cool side, top T8 set to 85 and the hot spot will reach 91-93 but the cool side is 79. The top RHP works more to keep the ambient temp good while getting a hot spot from the lower cage's heat rising upward, and the lower one is working better for hot spot and ambient together but has a more narrow temp gradient. This is with the probes fed in through the channel for the RHP cord and set about 2.5-3" above the substrate. Tinkered with mine for a bit and still do occasionally when the seasons change.


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So you put your probe on the hotside?

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No i had it on the cool side. I ended up selling the cage with the RHP and just use the AP cages with flexwatt only now.

I just set the cool side to 82F. Luckily my BP liked it cooler to begin with so for her it wasnt a big deal.

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So you put your probe on the hotside?

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Yes, mine is on the hot side in my T8s. Personal preference and it gives me the temps I need, provided the room doesn't go below like 74.


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It was a struggle to get him in his new enclosure. I'm not sure if this face is I love it or I hate you. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b5adaca448.jpg

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Haha looks like the I like it face. Caesar will sit like that for hours when I leave a door slid open for him. Actually Rosey and Vic do that too. Sometimes they will curl up right next to the litter dam and just sleep at the open door too haha.

Oh and the best is wait until you catch Gene with just his head out of the cage like he is now but with his head pointing perfectly straight at the floor and he just sits there for about 5 hours without moving. Caught Caesar doing that a few times. I'm guessing he was sleeping or something.

Love these enclosures. The heat is dialed in pretty good, but I'll play with it the next few days. Gene keeps snooping around the rhp. It gets pretty warm but not too bad. I put the probe on the cool side and set the stat at 78*. Hot side is around 84*

Gene hasn't stopped moving since he got in there. He has one hide but I out some leaf coverage under his off shelf I made so he should be good. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...93dd0711f6.jpg

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Looks nice. But can that stand hold a couple more cages cause everyone knows snakes are like crack, one or two or 10 just wont do ;)

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Your cats a trip. I like that picture.

I like it. Hey i see you are using cypress mulch. How do you like that stuff? Do you find it 'stabby'? And how is it for spotting pisses and poops? That was my biggest problem with the ReptiChips, spotting pees from Caesar.

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I like it. Hey i see you are using cypress mulch. How do you like that stuff? Do you find it 'stabby'? And how is it for spotting pisses and poops? That was my biggest problem with the ReptiChips, spotting pees from Caesar.

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Honestly I'm a little up unsure with it. The top photo is the Cypress I got at the Petsmart one day, it was $25 a for what seemed like a half bag, and yes I bought two. The pieces are all average size, a little on the smaller side. Humidity is great, but I've only had it in Tina's old tub set up and now in the T8 and she will pee maybe every two weeks. I would just look for urates and then just grab around it. About a week or two ago I bought a giant bag of "No Float Cypress from Lowes. I forgot which member said they have been using it for years with no problems. This is the picture on the bottom with Gene. It is a little more ruff, there were a few large chunky stick like ones, but I just pulled it out when I was putting it in. Gene is just starting his shed cycle so it will be awhile before I see any pee or poop. Nice part is the giant bag was only like $3.93, so I can grab a ton around their pee or poop and not have to worry about breaking the bank. I will stick with the Cypress for awhile and see how it goes.

General AP enclosure overview --> I love the enclosures, Ali was amazing to work with, there ship out times were long, but if it is more of a family / small based company I get it. Building was a breeze, It was beyond simple. The locks are a little cheap, wish the barrel didn't pull out, I'm sure i'll drop it one day and wont find it for a few hours. They hold humidity amazing, honestly almost too much, I haven't been able to bring it below 80% since I set it up (any concerns for that high of humidity?). I went with Pro Heat RHP, I set the Stats at 79* and I get a basking hot spot on the hot side at 84* (with temp gun), digital thermometer shows 81*. I don't have much of a gradient with this :cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r: summer heat, my cool side is around 79*. It fluctuates because this apartment is miserable. But I needed the RHP because in the winter it gets really cold, even on the 3rd floor. I may have went a little over board with the clutter but they seem to like it, but spot cleaning will be a pain, but I guess i'll try it for awhile.

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They dont have that no float stuff up here.

And yeah, when you use any of the humidity substrates with the AP cages, the humidity goes nuts. After switching Gina, Rango and Dottie back to the ReptiChip stuff, my humidity gauges are pegged at 99% and i have condensation on the sides.

Think Gina is still a little bit unsure of the stuff as she has never been on it.

Gene is the biggest baby when it comes to his shed cycle. He acts like he is dead, doesn't move just lays there. I can pick his head up and it's limp. Then hell readjust himself and lay back down. Been that way for 2 years now.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...0c7d4e2758.jpg

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lol Phyllis is in shed now and acts the same way. Plays dead, looks miserable... if you touch her though she'll whip around like a live wire and be super spooked!


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Guess Opie is having a great time watching Gene shed.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...36d52c5cfd.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...bde24557dd.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...46a55ba236.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...23cba235f2.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...9d0623b864.jpg

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Need advice with substrate feedings. Tina will only eat if her rat is hot and wet. I've always had her on paper towels so it wasn't a big deal. But tonight she struggled with substrate after she ate hanging out if her mouth. I tried to get off but she wasn't having it. She just eventually went into her hide.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...eae0348afd.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...a429d79604.jpg

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I feed all my snakes on sheets of printer paper but newspaper or cardboard will work too. I just hold the rats by the tail and when the snakes grab them and coil them, i just lift the whole mass up and slide a sheet of printer paper under them and put the mass down on it. The little snakes, i just hold the mouse tail and they will coil while the mouse is in the air lol. Then i just put down the sheet with my other hand and set them down on it. I also will sometimes ninja pick pieces of aspen off the rats as they are swallowing it with my forceps. They dont seem to care as long as i dont tug on the rat itself.

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I feed all my snakes on sheets of printer paper but newspaper or cardboard will work too. I just hold the rats by the tail and when the snakes grab them and coil them, i just lift the whole mass up and slide a sheet of printer paper under them and put the mass down on it. The little snakes, i just hold the mouse tail and they will coil while the mouse is in the air lol. Then i just put down the sheet with my other hand and set them down on it. I also will sometimes ninja pick pieces of aspen off the rats as they are swallowing it with my forceps. They dont seem to care as long as i dont tug on the rat itself.

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Yeah I do a similar thing but I put the card down BEFORE offering the food and then I dangle it over the card .


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