Caesar progression thread.

Caesar lounging. Been kicking back up there for hours now just watching the room and tv :P
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A close up of Caesar the night before dinner. You can see the anger brewing in his eyes for dinner haha.
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Can I be a pain in the ass and get you to measure the T8? I know AP says it's 4x2 but stated that it's nit the exact size.

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Can I be a pain in the ass and get you to measure the T8? I know AP says it's 4x2 but stated that it's nit the exact size.

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Just measured mine at 48 1/4" x 23 1/2" X 11 3/4" outer dimensions


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Just measured mine at 48 1/4" x 23 1/2" X 11 3/4" outer dimensions


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Thanks, I bought some wood today to build a taller stand (keep the cat away). I'll go a 1/2" larger all the way around.

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Nm. JM already did it lol. And yeah they aren't exact. I use 48x24 pieces of sanded plywood to go between my bottom cage and the AP stand since I want a flat spot for the flexwatt to sit on so it evenly presses against the cage floor and the cage is slightly longer than the 48" and shorter than the 24" but then again, maybe the 48x24 sheet of plywood is off too haha. Remember also that the AP cages are supported by the bottom so having a little lip off the edge is fine with them since they are a flat bottom cage which is another reason I love them. Even AP stands are built a little shorter in length and width of the cages but only like an inch or so.

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Nm. JM already did it lol. And yeah they aren't exact. I use 48x24 pieces of sanded plywood to go between my bottom cage and the AP stand since I want a flat spot for the flexwatt to sit on so it evenly presses against the cage floor and the cage is slightly longer than the 48" and shorter than the 24" but then again, maybe the 48x24 sheet of plywood is off too haha. Remember also that the AP cages are supported by the bottom so having a little lip off the edge is fine with them since they are a flat bottom cage which is another reason I love them. Even AP stands are built a little shorter in length and width of the cages but only like an inch or so.

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Thanks!

You guys on fb?

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Thanks!

You guys on fb?

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Yup. JM found me as well a few others :) you can add me if you want. It's John Soper. You'll see my avatar as a pic of Caesar haha.

Well guys and gals, I talked to Kris at Vital Exotics today as I was debating again on either the Brazilian, Iquitos, Pucallpa BCC or an ultra ivory SD female or normal pied male. Looks like Kris isn't producing any retics this year at all as he is focusing on his Bison business. So I guess, going to have to talk to some other people now :( Bob Clark has nice stuff but I personally think, you are going to pay for the name also unless you score an auction like JM did...lucky sob lol.

You are right about the paying for a name now a days

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Yeah, I've PM'd Jay at Prehistoric pets and also Daniel Solis at Reptile Ave. We'll see what they have to say although I imagine Prehistoric Pets is going to be along the lines of Bob Clark for pricing. I got time to kill anyways as my 3 T8s are scheduled to arrive this Wednesday and then I'll have to let the Lexel cure on them for a week or two before Luna, Rango and Dottie into them. But who knows, I might try and see if I can sweet talk a gal I was talking to who has 2016 F2 Iquitos Peruvians that she imports straight from a breeder in Peru who collected the parents 30 miles outside Iquitos and they have all the CITES and lineage papers to go with them. She has a female that I really want but she only sells pairs right now but she looks female heavy so maybe I can sweet talk her but I'll worry about that after I have the extra cages ready. So technically they are a 'new' bloodline but guaranteed to be Iquitos Peruvians.

And since nothing new has popped up, here is a kind of bad pic of Caesar to keep you busy :P Ignore the front of him as the flash washed that out but his body is coloring up really nice as that didn't really get hit by the flash. Cant wait for natural lighting come summer.
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I like that shelf in that cage.

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I like that shelf in that cage.

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Thanks. Caesar likes it too. He's actually pissed on it a few times lol. Luckily, the shelf can easily be removed and cleaned. The boas only really use it when they are hungry, then they sit on top of it for a bit. The BP really loved it too about as much the retic. Kind of surprised that a BP likes to climb more than boas lol.

Caesar is the pissmaster. lol It seems like that's all he does. lol

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Caesar is the pissmaster. lol It seems like that's all he does. lol

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He does like to pee but he has never pee'd on me or outside the cage, so that's all good :D

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And since nothing new has popped up, here is a kind of bad pic of Caesar to keep you busy :P Ignore the front of him as the flash washed that out but his body is coloring up really nice as that didn't really get hit by the flash. Cant wait for natural lighting come summer.
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Love the Bowl.. I almost bought it at TSC last week. They had that one and the Pink version for my girl but I figured I would wait till the enclosures arrive....between these Rats, Snakes & Dogs Ive gone through a small fortune in the last 2 months...


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I can only see part of it in the pic Sully so it might not be the same one.. But you can get a bowl like that at Walmart for like 6 bucks. They come in black, dark blue, tan and camo. Didn't see pink camo. In the pet section. It's just a plastic crock bowl.

Sully is right. That bowl is from TSC. I got turned on to them from Reinz and they work awesome. Got the normal camo ones for everyone except Rosey who has the girly pink one but that's because they only had 1 pink one left there lol.

Oh TSC. Tractor Supply. Gotcha.

Caesar is looking nice! One of these days he'll start filling out haha :) He's a cute little noodle.
I'd avoid Prehistoric Pets if I were you but that is based on my observations when I used to live by the Fountain Valley store through the late 90s. Just my personal opinion.
Another mass producer you might consider (although others may caution against) is NERD. I know you already contacted BClark and he would be another I would say is okay and makes some nice stuff.
Did you check over on reptileinsider for your BC needs? Lots of locality specific boa hobby breeders on that site.
Good luck in your search!

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Caesar is looking nice! One of these days he'll start filling out haha :) He's a cute little noodle.
I'd avoid Prehistoric Pets if I were you but that is based on my observations when I used to live by the Fountain Valley store through the late 90s. Just my personal opinion.
Another mass producer you might consider (although others may caution against) is NERD. I know you already contacted BClark and he would be another I would say is okay and makes some nice stuff.
Did you check over on reptileinsider for your BC needs? Lots of locality specific boa hobby breeders on that site.
Good luck in your search!

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What is bad about Prehistoric Pets? Do tell!!

As for ReptilInsider, yeah I've been a member over there since like 2012 but its kind of dead. I have checked with a few people over there but nothing grabs me. Only real interest is in a F2 female Iquitos from a gal I know who imports them from Peru. They come from grandparents who were caught 30 miles outside Iquitos years ago. They come with CITES and lineage paperwork but she is only selling pairs right now. I might bug her more for the female I really like but right now I don't have the cages available as the 3 T8s wont be here til Wednesday and then they need a week or 2 to seal. I also need to pony up the $600+ for them. And I'm also debating on another SD retic lol. Tough decision.

And thanks. Caesar is pretty awesome. Great personality and best of all, he doesn't piss on me or outside the cage haha. He seems to have slowed down on growing and being hungry so this might be a good sign haha.

There is so really great mainland stuff that I really want. Shane Castello has some amazing stuff and is local. I'm just not in a position to house and care for a mainland. My dream snake, Sunfire OGS. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...f22d5330a2.jpg

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Yeah I'm almost ready to bite the bullet for a male mainland pied since there is no SD pieds made yet. Them and Cows are my favorite. And yeah I've checked out Shanes stuff. Nice stuff.

WOW - he's looking great John

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Yeah, I've PM'd Jay at Prehistoric pets and also Daniel Solis at Reptile Ave. We'll see what they have to say although I imagine Prehistoric Pets is going to be along the lines of Bob Clark for pricing. I got time to kill anyways as my 3 T8s are scheduled to arrive this Wednesday and then I'll have to let the Lexel cure on them for a week or two before Luna, Rango and Dottie into them. But who knows, I might try and see if I can sweet talk a gal I was talking to who has 2016 F2 Iquitos Peruvians that she imports straight from a breeder in Peru who collected the parents 30 miles outside Iquitos and they have all the CITES and lineage papers to go with them. She has a female that I really want but she only sells pairs right now but she looks female heavy so maybe I can sweet talk her but I'll worry about that after I have the extra cages ready. So technically they are a 'new' bloodline but guaranteed to be Iquitos Peruvians.

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You get your enclosures today?

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You get your enclosures today?

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Yup got them set up and letting the Lexel dry in them. The doors will be here tomorrow as Ali was hustling to get my order finished as I placed an order for a single T8 and stand last week so they wanted to ship those out with my 2 T8s I ordered last month. I got a post up on it with a pic. Nothing epic but I'm pretty happy. Will be even happier when I get my 3 or 4 T25s :)

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Yup got them set up and letting the Lexel dry in them. The doors will be here tomorrow as Ali was hustling to get my order finished as I placed an order for a single T8 and stand last week so they wanted to ship those out with my 2 T8s I ordered last month. I got a post up on it with a pic. Nothing epic but I'm pretty happy. Will be even happier when I get my 3 or 4 T25s :)

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I expect full updated photos!

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Lol got a pic of the T8s next to the T10s in general herping forum. Not going to see the T25s until probably winter. Those are a much larger chunk of change lol.

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Lol got a pic of the T8s next to the T10s in general herping forum. Not going to see the T25s until probably winter. Those are a much larger chunk of change lol.

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AP pages says they need freight to ship? I don't even want to think what that will cost to ship.


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AP pages says they need freight to ship? I don't even want to think what that will cost to ship.


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Yeah you have to call them. Freight to me would cost $229 but Ali told me if I order more cages, the freight drops a lot. Like the freight to ship 2 cages would only be like an extra $50. Loaded sliding doors model with LED, shelf, lock and flexwatt with shipping would runs me around $770 each. I'll probably just 2 for right now, that should run me about $1500 and then just order the other 1 or 2 more later lol.

We had our big cage order last year shipped freight, I forget at what point it was a better value to have it sent freight than standard. We had it sent to my husband's office, since they had a proper loading dock (and some freight companies won't deliver to a residential address), and he drives a pickup with a full bed.

Unless confirmed otherwise, assume for freight shipments that the driver will only get your goods to the tail of the truck and you have to unload it yourself (if its been palletized you do not have to take the whole pallet off in one go, you can split the wrap and take individual boxes off, within reason).


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Well as long as he backs the truck up to my garage and has a lift gate, I'll be fine. I cant imagine the cages being really too much heavier than the T10s and I was able to lift those easily. If I get 2 cages at once, if they come on the pallet, I'll either see if he has a dolley so I can just slide the whole pallet into my garage and deal with it there at my leisure or I'll have to manually push it which will suck haha.

Regardless though, at that moment, I'll probably be so pumped, I'll He-Man them up myself and feel it in the morning

I was quoted $168 for shipping here. That would be a T-25 or modified T-25.

Its not a deal breaker, but I can save a lot picking up a pre-built unit from Monster Cages.

I am still strongly considering AP with a similar setup to Sauzo. T-25 with shelf and I'll add my own perches as well. My state borders Iowa (AP's home) but Sauzo has a longer shipping route to Washington state.

The hobby isn't cheap if you do a reasonable job of caring for and setting up your animal properly.

Larger snakes will definitely cost you some money to care for.

Call AP and get your quote.

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I was quoted $168 for shipping here. That would be a T-25 or modified T-25.

Its not a deal breaker, but I can save a lot picking up a pre-built unit from Monster Cages.

I am still strongly considering AP with a similar setup to Sauzo. T-25 with shelf and I'll add my own perches as well. My state borders Iowa (AP's home) but Sauzo has a longer shipping route to Washington state.

The hobby isn't cheap if you do a reasonable job of caring for and setting up your animal properly.

Larger snakes will definitely cost you some money to care for.

Call AP and get your quote.

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Heck, wish I lived kind of close to AP haha. I bet driving there and back would still be less gas than $168 lol.

Words of wisdom if you do go AP. Go light on the Lexel. A little goes a long way with that stuff. My T10 cages, I used almost 2 tubes for 3 cages and the stuff stunk for a week and took as long to cure too. The T8s, I cut just the tip off the tube and squeezed out a very thing bead and then used a wet finger to smooth it out and push it in the crack. Only took about 3/4 of a single tube to do a 3 of the T8s and they have the same footprint as the T10s. And they don't stink and are just about cured after 1 day.

And yeah larger snakes definitely cost more but as weird as it sounds, I do love them and so it's worth it to get them set up to keep them happy. And that's not even factoring in food if you own a piggy snake haha. Caesar is in pretty deep shed as his eyes don't blue over, they just get really cloudy and dull. I tried to feed Dottie and she didn't want to eat for the 4th week lol so I figured Caesar ate in shed once and today should be his feeding day but I was going to skip it cause of shed. Well with the extra medium rat, I said why not and lifted Caesar's cool hide and hung the rat at the door. He was all gung ho for it lol. Like I said, hes in deep shed so again he kind of missed it but got the body. Took him like 10 mins to find the head as he was in full retard mode being in shed but he chowed it down, then wandered over to the warm side and curled up behind his warm hide. He is such a garbage can. Think I am going to try and alternate between a large rat and medium rat each week. He really isn't so food driven anymore as when he was a baby plus the rat place by my house, the sizes run on the small side. So a medium is like a small and a large is like a medium at the reptile shop that is an hour drive from my place.

Anyways back on the cage thing haha. Definitely get a shelf. It adds floor space so it turns the 48x24 into a 48x32. Adding perches will offer even more. And best of all the shelf is pretty cheap, its like $30 for it. Think its $40 for the T25s though but they are 8" deeps so plenty for a snake to curl up and relax.

Oh and one other thing. The shelves are easily removed from the cage so it makes cleaning them easy. Just have to tilt them and slide them out the door. Then can spray down the whole cage with F10SC and the shelf and let it soak and wipe it all down and then put the shelf back in.

And we got Caesar following suit and doing the stretch and lounge too.
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And we got Caesar following suit and doing the stretch and lounge too.
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Caesar is looking thick in this picture!

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Caesar has been putting on girth. I cut him back to medium rats every 10 days. That pic is him in sausage mode lol. My boas do that sometimes too. I don't know why but they will pancake out and just lay there for hours. Its like they just let it all hang out haha.

Havent done many shots of Caesar recently so here are a few.
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He's looking great man! Got that beastly muscled noggin going on for sure!


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Hey now, Caesar is growing up, it seems like only yesterday he was a yellow shoelace with teeth! But i must say, i keep noticing the "progression" of your signature at the bottom - man, Gina is a stunner! What a great collection, keep the pics coming.

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Hey now, Caesar is growing up, it seems like only yesterday he was a yellow shoelace with teeth! But i must say, i keep noticing the "progression" of your signature at the bottom - man, Gina is a stunner! What a great collection, keep the pics coming.

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Lol it seems like yesterday Caesar was just a little 2' worm. Now he's the curious 5'+ spazz lol.

And thanks. I really do like Gina. She's like the suriname version of what I wanted from a Peruvian...female, nice pattern, good local and good bloodline. She's a perfect coup de grace for now. I'm sure I'll get something else end of this year or maybe next spring or summer. Maybe a female sharp snow or male Rio Bravo Pokigron suirname or a female Peruvian. Pretty much we'll see what wanders my direction when I got the money and the opportunity.

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He's looking great man! Got that beastly muscled noggin going on for sure!


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Thanks. Not sure about the 10 day feeding schedule though. Those pics were from day 8 and he is on patrol hardcore lol. He stuffed his head down the gap a couple times but not really forcing it. He might be the exception to feeding as I'm trying to keep everyone on a 10 day schedule except Rosey and Vicky who are on monthly schedules.

Alright as per Gene's statement about comparison, here are a couple pics I got of Caesar more or less stretched out in his T10 while he is creating havoc and pushing all over. Guess 10 days without food is out for him, he gets dinner in the morning lol.
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I am honestly tired of waiting the 10 - 12 weeks for my enclosures. Caesar is looking really good! You going to stick with mediums or go to larger and stick with 10 days?

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I am honestly tired of waiting the 10 - 12 weeks for my enclosures. Caesar is looking really good! You going to stick with mediums or go to larger and stick with 10 days?

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Thanks. And yeah, the wait for the cage sucks lol. Well 10 days doesn't seem to work too well. Caesar was pushing after day 8 so i'll probably try to just do 1 medium every week.

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I am honestly tired of waiting the 10 - 12 weeks for my enclosures. Caesar is looking really good! You going to stick with mediums or go to larger and stick with 10 days?

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My T10's should be shipped Mon or Tue - it'll be 15 weeks since order but well worth it. Be patient..LOL

Yeah they are pretty backed up I hear.

So today I fed everyone. Everyone chowed down except Luna who was in shed and Dottie who hasn't eaten in a couple months. I ended giving Caesar a medium and Dottie's small rat and yeah, he is still hungry. Anytime any of the doors are slid open in his stack of cages, he flies out like a bat outta hell to the front of the cage lol. I think he might need a large every week. The rats at the place close to me run on the smaller size. I might also just alternate and give him a medium one week and a large the next week and so on.

Heck even Vicky was all up in arms about 6 hours after eating too. I slide a door open and she pops out of her hide with the huge red pupil dilated and coiled up ready for more.

The only snake who seemed happy with the food size was Gina, who seems pretty happy with a hopper mouse every 10 days. She ate and curled up into a nice little cinnamon roll with a head in the center inside her warm hide on her heater lol.

And think I'm going to bite the bullet and order a Herpstat 6 Monday.

I ordered another herpstat 1, it was only 2 days and it was at my door. When I bought my rack I ordered my last herpstat from Herptastic and it took 3 weeks.

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Yeah they are pretty backed up I hear.

So today I fed everyone. Everyone chowed down except Luna who was in shed and Dottie who hasn't eaten in a couple months. I ended giving Caesar a medium and Dottie's small rat and yeah, he is still hungry. Anytime any of the doors are slid open in his stack of cages, he flies out like a bat outta hell to the front of the cage lol. I think he might need a large every week. The rats at the place close to me run on the smaller size. I might also just alternate and give him a medium one week and a large the next week and so on.

Heck even Vicky was all up in arms about 6 hours after eating too. I slide a door open and she pops out of her hide with the huge red pupil dilated and coiled up ready for more.

The only snake who seemed happy with the food size was Gina, who seems pretty happy with a hopper mouse every 10 days. She ate and curled up into a nice little cinnamon roll with a head in the center inside her warm hide on her heater lol.

And think I'm going to bite the bullet and order a Herpstat 6 Monday.

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I think we need updated pictures of all the snakes...........

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