Petland kills bunnys

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

HSUS, that explains a lot.

Like I said, the no-kill shelters around here are the horrible ones. The kill shelters while they do euthanize animals, are much better about trying to adopt out pets, trying to keep them in good clean circumstances, better about giving proper vet care when needed.. etc.

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wolfy im not arguing that some are bad places, but the only supposed no kill shelter around here kills more animals than the hsus and im not talking strays or agressive animals.. the last complaint i saw was from a rescue that gave them 12 puppies which where in foster homes for over a year and they killed them all.. and this is 7 or 8 different rescues from down south that brought them up here because its easier to find homes in a well populated area as the chicago area

Yep, HSUS is someone I will not deal with. They are not the only people who run shelters though. Again, that is not the case with all shelters, and most good shelters do everything within their power to adopt out their animals to good homes. Yes, in your case someone might be dumping dogs out on your property, but for most people, a shelter is way better of an option than buying a $3-400.00 mutt from petland that just continues to support adding more animals into an already overcrowded world of unwanted dogs and cats.

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

PETA is against keeping animals as pets, and does kill over 90% of all pets it takes in. That's fact.
The head of the organization will say whatever it takes for them to continue taking in tons of money that they can use to restrict animal ownership even MORE than they already are.
Frankly PETA is NOT a non-profit, and is a bunch of hypocrites that fanatically want to take away every animal of any use, right down to the last kid's hamster and the last food animal. All you have to do is look at their campaigns, instead of listening to the head person who's already a proven liar.

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:( Thats messed up. Alot. And id believe it.

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Originally Posted by blueapplepaste

Yeah, its unfortunate that these petshops/companies just view the animals as $$$ and not as animals.

I avoid them at all costs, I only go to pet shops to buy supplies, like aspen.

And you're right about the fish, always over crowded. Its sad because then you see people who do the same thing with their fish tank at home and think "Geeze, the pet store had 75 fish in a tank this size, how come all of mine keep dying?"

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Yeah they should ALL stop selling live stuff, since all they want is money, -just stick with things you dont have to worry about dying/going bad/ knowing anything about.

lol ive never seen someones fish tank that croweded, we used to have fish we got from pet stores and the most we had was like 6 in a 10 gallon. But they were all small

Nixer I wasn't trying to argue that the ones near you were good. I was more trying to say that you have to judge each shelter on it's own merits. Around you, the no kill shelters are best. Around me the no-kill shelters are hell-holes for animals.

Just because it's a no-kill doesn't mean it's good, nor does the opposite prove true either. Judge each shelter on what they do, and how they keep the animals.

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Originally Posted by nixer

yet your donation goes to killing of more animals. my point here is the majority of the donation goes towards putting perfectly healthy animals to death without reason...

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I have volunteered for a kill shelter for over 7 years and a big reason to put down animals is there are not enough homes for them and not enough money to care for them all. Choices have to be made and yes there have been times where I have helped to make those decisions.
My shelter is surrounded by several no-kill shelters and do you know what happens to the healthy animals that those no-kill shelters are turning away in favor of the unadoptable ones they keep for years? I have heard from volunteers at these other shelters of animals that have died of old age waiting 10years or more in these no-kill shelters for homes while young healthy animals are turned away. Most of those that are turned away are either dumped on the roadside by careless owners(many dieing or are bought into the kill shelter as strays), or are bought to the nearest kill shelter to add to the already high number of animals the kill shelter has to deal with. The majority of the animals still die the people at the no-kill shelters just don't have to deal with the burden, the burden is passed onto the shoulders of the employees and volunteers at a kill shelter. I have seen more than 30 cats come in in a single day before during kitten season and there just are not that many new homes everyday to adopt them.
If people still have a problem with kill shelters then help the rescues that pull animals from kill shelters and only euthenize for severe health issues such as feline HIV,and not for space, just pick a good rescue one that has reasonable adoption rates and not the ones that have the really high gouging rates. Some rescues are better than others as with all things. I work with a lovely rescue near me that helps as much as they can and cares about the animals first but even they are limited by the number of donations to how many animals they can help each year.

Careful, you might get stoned on here for that.

But I agree with what you are saying completely.

Let's cry more about things dying.

ANIMALS NEVER DIE. We must save every sick thing ever!

Personally, if an animal is humanely euthanized, I think that's 100x better than any form of abuse.
But no, death is TERRIBLE and the animals must live even when they overpopulate and end up suffering anyways.

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Originally Posted by nixer

wolfy im not arguing that some are bad places, but the only supposed no kill shelter around here kills more animals than the hsus and im not talking strays or agressive animals.. the last complaint i saw was from a rescue that gave them 12 puppies which where in foster homes for over a year and they killed them all.. and this is 7 or 8 different rescues from down south that brought them up here because its easier to find homes in a well populated area as the chicago area

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You've been throwing out a lot of information with little to back yourself up with. Have any articles or facts backing your information up?
12 Puppies in foster homes. Maybe they had a disease or weren't suitable for adoption?
I haven't heard anything like that around Chicago. There's no real thing as a 'no-kill' shelter. All shelters have to euthanize animals under multiple circumstances. I've been to a lot of shelters and volunteered at many in the Chicagoland area. Haven't heard any of these 'horror' stories.
So please, enlighten us.

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Originally Posted by DM1975

Careful, you might get stoned on here for that.

But I agree with what you are saying completely.

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People can not like what I am saying but I have seen the behind the scenes for a long time and those who have not seen it personally need to hear it from the horses mouth as it were.
Do you know how hard it is to help decide which to keep/foster knowing what that ultimately means for the others that are not chosen? The biggest reason I keep going back is that by doing nothing I save none, by helping and grooming and fostering I save more of those than would have made it out otherwise. Its those that make it all worth it. Its those like the 2 little kittens I hand raised from 3 weeks old that are now 10 months one of which has a lovely home that I still get updates from and the other that is fostered with me and all the others I have helped to save over the years that make it worth it to keep trying. I may not be able to save them all but there are animals that have been saved by my actions and thats enough for me

As for the donation issue, from what I have seen in the past 7 years of my own personal experience,the majority of any donation goes toward the care of animals while they are looking for a home, rather in the shelters, the rescues, or fostering. It does not go towards the killing of animals. And if someone does not want to donate money for that fear they can always donate supplies. Food, cat litter, bleach, flea medications(some that come in are absolutely infested, I once used a quarter of a bottle of flea shampoo on a German shepherd that had horror movie amounts of fleas), are always appreciated. And lord knows I would be over the moon for a pair of those expensive electric grooming clippers. I have killed so many pairs of the cheap electric clippers that are made for home use in the past 7 years at the shelter and with my own fosters. Find out what is needed and donate that, trust me they will be glad to tell you what supplies they need most.

I can't speak for all shelters I can only tell things from my own experience and perspective.

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Originally Posted by DM1975

Careful, you might get stoned on here for that.

But I agree with what you are saying completely.

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What would kaz get 'stoned' for?
Kazboots did nothing wrong. Not even in the slightest. :weirdface