New odd hatchling.

my black eye lucy does not have as much yellow or black but it still looks like that.

Let's see yours.

Dave

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Originally Posted by EmberBall

Let's see yours.

Dave

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This is the reason I bought a sulfur instead of a fire in the first place. I've always thought that the sulfurs looked darker and I was guessing that a super sulfur would produce more yellow blotching then the super fires would. I hope this is an indication of things to come. Very cool looking snake Dave. :gj:

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Originally Posted by MarkS

This is the reason I bought a sulfur instead of a fire in the first place. I've always thought that the sulfurs looked darker and I was guessing that a super sulfur would produce more yellow blotching then the super fires would. I hope this is an indication of things to come. Very cool looking snake Dave. :gj:

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But this is what i'm saying, they don't. Both lines produce white and blotched snakes but breeders have found the whiter the snake the more money some people wil pay and have therefore showcased these particular animals. The blochted ones have been selling for slightly less but are out there. I'm not saying they are any worse or anything.

@ everyone else.

I tried to explain that I'm not saying this snake is imperfect or undesirable, that is just not how the "posterchild" examples of this morph (BlackEL) is made out/has been made out to be.

As more and more people do fire x fire and BlackEl x fire they are finding that the "quality" or amount of whiteness is variable.

So you have BlackELs being produced of varying whitness. Your breeder can either showcase the whitest or the least white on his/her website, show stalls, books, photographs magazing articles etc etc.

Similarly when you look into purchasing a BlackEL you'll find snakes being offered with varying amounts of yellow patches, varying tiny numbers of yellow scales or no yellow at all.

At the moment (and generaly speaking, like I've said multipletimes now i've never seen one as extreme/spectacular as this before and I have never said I dislike it, this would be an exception i'd expect!) the less white the BlackEL the lower the sale price.


As People begin selectively breeding for certain traits (as is happening with Ivories) this will change and both clean and other BlackELs will be appcreciated seperately in their own right. We have fires here and they were produced by a flawless BLackEl with no yellow at all x fire. Some of the sires siblings have yellow on them and his BlackEL offspring had varying amounts of yellow from little to none. I'm positive that selective breeding will play a big part in how both the fire, sulphur and BlackEL morphs will look in the future. We'll see as many lines/traits differences and grades as we do with the pastel, superpastel, yellowbelly and ivory morphs (etc etc). I'm not saying either is better, In my origingal post I was simply trying to be conscise for the benefit of people guessing all kinds of crazy combos :)


Similar to the whole super mojave thing, not as clean/white as other BlueELs but spectular in it's own right and actually my personal favorate BlueEL.

Apologies for my spelling, had a long night and no sleep :tears:

I think the variable blotching on the Black Eyed Leucistic is pretty damn cool. The reason that the "posterchild" for this snake was a pure white snake was due to some creative photoshopping when the snake was first introduced to people in the US. I personally can't recall seeing any super Fires that are pure white. I feel like Bob Clark may have had one on his table at Daytona a couple of years ago that was but I could be wrong. Just because it isn't pure white doesn't make it any less hot in my opinion. If you want a pure white snake, you could produce a Super Lesser or White Diamond.

I actually prefer the Yellow blotches as opposed to the pure white! I was surprised the first time I saw one in Anaheim since I had believed that Super Fires were pure white with black eyes (probably how they were marketed)!
This has to be my favorite yet! Congrats Dave! Imagine some Pastel running through that snake!

looks like a Pinstripe Paradox to me???

My guess is this snake is a mojave super sulfur and the mojave is what is causing the extreme amount of pattern and color. I have two presumed super mojave super sulfurs and they are a two tone white, with the exact same pattern starting on the top of the head and running the entire length of the snake. So what I'm thinking is the mojave adds the color/pattern and the super mojave turns it into a different color white then the lower parts on my double supers.

Eric

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I think the variable blotching on the Black Eyed Leucistic is pretty damn cool. The reason that the "posterchild" for this snake was a pure white snake was due to some creative photoshopping when the snake was first introduced to people in the US. I personally can't recall seeing any super Fires that are pure white. I feel like Bob Clark may have had one on his table at Daytona a couple of years ago that was but I could be wrong. Just because it isn't pure white doesn't make it any less hot in my opinion. If you want a pure white snake, you could produce a Super Lesser or White Diamond.

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that snake bob had did have a few yellow scales.