living together?

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Originally Posted by Whiffa

Also, people who buy rats from pet stores are probably going to introduce mites into an enclosure. I made this mistake when I did the pre-killed method and had an outbbreak.

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First little point, and I'm not insulting you:

Snakes mites are NOT the same as rat mites. Snake mites and rat mites are species specific, and also two different types of mites. Although it is possible to have some transfer for a short period of time, snake mites cannot live on rats.

The snake mite is Ophionyssus natricis. A common rat mite is Liponyssus bacot (sometimes classified Ophionyssus bacot)

If you're insinuating that snake mites can be picked up while at the pet store on your person or bedding, this is possible, however normal QT is an easy way to avoid that possibility of infection.

And on that point, would it not be easier to treat one enclosure over two?

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

First little point, and I'm not insulting you:

Snakes mites are NOT the same as rat mites. Snake mites and rat mites are species specific, and also two different types of mites. Although it is possible to have some transfer for a short period of time, snake mites cannot live on rats.

The snake mite is Ophionyssus natricis. A common rat mite is Liponyssus bacot (sometimes classified Ophionyssus bacot)

If you're insinuating that snake mites can be picked up while at the pet store on your person or bedding, this is possible, however normal QT is an easy way to avoid that possibility of infection.

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Mites will travel and lay eggs on anything and everything. When the nests are introduced into a snake enclosure the mites will hatch on the host. I've had it happen to me before.

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

I just have one pair I keep together. They are in an AP T20. 72 x 24 x 24"

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If I were to keep some together I'd do the same. :D

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Originally Posted by DutchHerp

If I were to keep some together I'd do the same. :D

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AP all the way! :gj:

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

For these hard facts you seem to be providing, do you care to share with us your sources? Personal experiences?

You are swimming against the current here, and really doing nothing but saying that other keepers CANT because YOU think they shouldnt be.

You've brought some points up, but beyond the speculation of most of your points, which ones can be backed up by hard facts?

And also, you can try, but to tell someone that they cannot contribute to a thread isn't going to work. ;)

I haven't seen anyone tell YOU that you don't know anything, however they have questioned where you get off telling other keepers that THEY don't know anything. :rolleyes:

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Telling me that I'm arguing with some high and mighty breeder is self explanatory, IMO. And read up on yearly breeding. See how healthy it is for a snake, lol.

Personal experience also. I kept two red tail males together because I had a HUGE enclosure for them. Had two warm sides, two cool sides. Hide logs, plenty of cypress mulch for them to burrow under if they wanted. Multiple water dishes. It was BEAUTIFUL.

Neither showed any signs of aggression towards me previous to them co-habitating. They refused food. They would shed in tons of little pieces, and I was pretty ridiculous about the humidity and temps. They would also strike at me, hiss at me, and just be plain old MEAN. I separated them and they are both eating every 12 days (my feeding schedule) and they're actually healthier loooking.

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

AP all the way! :gj:

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Amen.

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Originally Posted by Whiffa

Mites will travel and lay eggs on anything and everything. When the nests are introduced into a snake enclosure the mites will hatch on the host. I've had it happen to me before.

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Again with these "facts"... Where have you read that snake mites lay eggs on everything? And to lead us to believe you mean that the snake mites are laying eggs on a live rodent??

Snake mites are nocturnal, and generally lay eggs in cracks and crevices on the enclosure, and generally do not live on the snakes except to feed.

They were more likely brought in on your clothing if you handled infected snakes, bedding, enclosures at the pet store, since there is simply no reason for a snake mite to seek out a rat or mouse.

The tank was about 8 feet long. It literally took up an entire wall of my room. both red tails were about 4 feet at the time. And they would lay on top of one another and when you separated them, they would both go back to the same spot and lay on top of each other. It was absurd.

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Again with these "facts"... Where have you read that snake mites lay eggs on everything? And to lead us to believe you mean that the snake mites are laying eggs on a live rodent??

Snake mites are nocturnal, and generally lay eggs in cracks and crevices on the enclosure, and generally do not live on the snakes except to feed.

They were more likely brought in on your clothing if you handled infected snakes, bedding, enclosures at the pet store, since there is simply no reason for a snake mite to seek out a rat or mouse.

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They could possibly have been living on the cardboard box I brought the rats home in. But I had rats and a box from a petstore. I touched my purse, the rats, the box, and drove home. After that, I switched to f/t and never had an issue again.

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Originally Posted by Whiffa

Telling me that I'm arguing with some high and mighty breeder is self explanatory, IMO. And read up on yearly breeding. See how healthy it is for a snake, lol.

Personal experience also. I kept two red tail males together because I had a HUGE enclosure for them. Had two warm sides, two cool sides. Hide logs, plenty of cypress mulch for them to burrow under if they wanted. Multiple water dishes. It was BEAUTIFUL.

Neither showed any signs of aggression towards me previous to them co-habitating. They refused food. They would shed in tons of little pieces, and I was pretty ridiculous about the humidity and temps. They would also strike at me, hiss at me, and just be plain old MEAN. I separated them and they are both eating every 12 days (my feeding schedule) and they're actually healthier loooking.

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Can you bring this source for yearly breeding into this convo? I would love to read up on that myself, since not all sources are created equal.

So you will gladly admit that you have not had that same experience with carpets then? Can you also admit that perhaps what didn't work for you, can work for someone else?