Sweet hybrid hook up

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Originally Posted by azpythons

ok so are there any problems with having a ball thats 10 percent carpet?? i mean when it comes to breeding or anything??

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...there is no problem with HAVING one. But the reality is, records will not be kept as they should and this will lead to an individual buying a 'pure' ball when they are not. So then whatever the individual breeds the "10% carpet" will never result in pure Balls.

SO....you have an individual breeding what they think is pure to another ball...and selling these 'pure' specimen as normals balls....when all these normal balls are really, hybrids. Hence the 'mudding' up of the gene pool and possibly the hobby.

The key here is to keep precise records with these Hybrids....but more than likely...records will be lost over time....

The Hybrid market is not great...so who knows what will become of the offspring.

I just dont want to be responsible for mudding up our hobby. Thats all.

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Originally Posted by azpythons

ok so are there any problems with having a ball thats 10 percent carpet?? i mean when it comes to breeding or anything??

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If it is sold to you as a Ball Python, I call that misrepresentation of an animal and this is why many people have issue with Hybrids.

While some people will sell hybrids for what they are down the road somewhere you will have someone that will not be as honest and that is one of the problem among others.

just look at nerd's carpet x macklotts... they look like a crazy patterned carpet! how long before something like that is misrepresented as a 'new carpet morph'.

now that makes sense...

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Originally Posted by Colin Vestrand

just look at nerd's carpet x macklotts... they look like a crazy patterned carpet! how long before something like that is misrepresented as a 'new carpet morph'.

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Originally Posted by azpythons

ok so are there any problems with having a ball thats 10 percent carpet?? i mean when it comes to breeding or anything??

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Yes. When I'm breeding for a certain look or trait foreign genes from a completely different species can give unpredictable results that may not breed true. I've run into this problem before when I was sold a pair of Northern Pine snakes that turned out to actually be bullsnake/pinesnake hybrids. The babies all looked different from each other with some favoring their pine snake ancestors and some favoring their bull snake ancestors and none of them looking like any of their other siblings.

And to be perfectly honest I think hating on soemone cause they like hybrids is like hating on someone cause they like Retics more than balls, it's just plain silly.

Bottom line is there will always be responsible and irresponsible breeders, doesn't matter if you're talking about physical defects, hybridization, or morphs.

Actually I have 1 more thing to add.

Want to talk about irresponsible? How about people who sell Poss. Hets without labelling them as such? It's a nice suprise to some, but others with serious projects in mind? That's a wrench in the gears to them.

The problem I see with hybrids is many times they result in health issues resulting in skeletal, behavioral and organ deformities. I have seen a liger in person at a big cat rescue and it has a kinds of problems. That would be my only concern. I hope you dont see any of these problems with your project.

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Originally Posted by azpythons

and i would breed them because...i like them....


wow...simply wow ;) this guys a moron

(there beat you to it!!)

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how im i a moron??? because im doing something i like.... everyone that has reptiles has them because of their love for that type of reptile, know matter what it is... even if thats a hybrid or a normal ball.

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Originally Posted by AaronP

Actually I have 1 more thing to add.

Want to talk about irresponsible? How about people who sell Poss. Hets without labelling them as such? It's a nice suprise to some, but others with serious projects in mind? That's a wrench in the gears to them.

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I would love....LOVE to see one person who bought a Poss Het as a normal that was mad about it......