WC Gravids?

Maybe taking WC gravids out of the wild is harmful. Maybe taking them is a service to the species to stop overpopulation. But until there is enough evidence to prove anything it's probably best to leave the WC gravids alone and in the wild, and let mother nature decide what happens.

Morphs happen in the wild and in captivity.

Just random genes not able to do their jobs.

I will add this...anyone who thinks that an exporter/breeder doesn't have some breeding stock of crazy mutants is crazy themself.

Look at one of the "rarest" blood python morphs the T-. They are suppose to be super rare, but it sure does seem wild that they keep popping up over and over...not to mention that an importer/farm breeder had 3 "WC" adults for sale last year....

Now if they are so rare, how in the world could someone find one or two, let alone three?

hmmmmmmmmmmm......

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Originally Posted by redpython

Morphs happen.....

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You should make that into a T-shirt. MORPHS HAPPEN, with a picture of an entire array of morphs in a pile.

I will not do business with anyone who deals with wild caught animals! I will also not do business with flippers! Flippers and people dealing with wild caught animals are crashing this market faster than anything else, and I won't support that.

Think about what the ball python business would be like if it was illegal to import ball pythons. If there were no more captive hatched or wild caught animals imported into the United States then the price would skyrocket for captive bred animals. This is simple supply and demand. Normals would sell for much higher than they do now. I had to sell normals for $20, and some less than that, last year. It really is not worth a breeder’s time to breed, feed, clean up, heat, and cage these animals over a two month period to sell them for $20.

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

Think about what the ball python business would be like if it was illegal to import ball pythons. If there were no more captive hatched or wild caught animals imported into the United States then the price would skyrocket for captive bred animals. This is simple supply and demand. Normals would sell for much higher than they do now.

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Yep. And that would not necessarily be a bad thing.

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

I had to sell normals for $20, and some less than that, last year. It really is not worth a breeder’s time to breed, feed, clean up, heat, and cage these animals over a two month period to sell them for $20.

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Again, yep. I had my normals (some were possible het pieds) listed for months. Priced at a whopping $20 for Normals and $25 for possible het Pieds. Only sold half of them. Had to wholesale the rest at $10 each. I think that is a clear indicator that the demand for Normal Balls are for the most part being met by American breeders and the need for imports is declining.

The only people you will hear screaming otherwise are those that make money off of imports. Again, I am not talking about a ban on imports, merely a reduction in the numbers being imported.

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

I will not do business with anyone who deals with wild caught animals! I will also not do business with flippers! Flippers and people dealing with wild caught animals are crashing this market faster than anything else, and I won't support that.

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Um, not sure where you are buying your snakes, but this pretty much cuts out the big guys.

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

Think about what the ball python business would be like if it was illegal to import ball pythons. If there were no more captive hatched or wild caught animals imported into the United States then the price would skyrocket for captive bred animals. This is simple supply and demand. Normals would sell for much higher than they do now. I had to sell normals for $20, and some less than that, last year. It really is not worth a breeder’s time to breed, feed, clean up, heat, and cage these animals over a two month period to sell them for $20.

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Is snake breeding your career? if so, then maybe you should invest some real bucks into some crazy morph that has a chance at a return.

And if it were illegal to import ball pythons, then there would be NONE in captivity, it's a double edged sword.

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Again, yep. I had my normals (some were possible het pieds) listed for months. Priced at a whopping $20 for Normals and $25 for possible het Pieds. Only sold half of them. Had to wholesale the rest at $10 each. I think that is a clear indicator that the demand for Normal Balls are for the most part being met by American breeders and the need for imports is declining.

The only people you will hear screaming otherwise are those that make money off of imports. Again, I am not talking about a ban on imports, merely a reduction in the numbers being imported.

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you had to wholesale them for 10$ because thats what the price is. the wholesale on CH is alot less. im guessing you sold these to a flipper? where were you selling them that you only sold half?


all of you anti gravid/import ppl better stop shopping at all the pet stores! also you might wanna dodge narbc shows totally since most of the ppl that run it does alot of imports. then all big breeders also buy these. then i guess the flippers(most of the ones i know have pretty big collections of their own animals)

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Originally Posted by nixer

you had to wholesale them for 10$ because thats what the price is. the wholesale on CH is alot less. im guessing you sold these to a flipper? where were you selling them that you only sold half?

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I am very aware of CH prices. CH lots of 100 males would have cost me $80 shipped last year. A whopping $2 less than my CB. Not what I would call "alot less".

Advertised on Fauna, KS, locally and via my site. That is where I was selling them.

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Originally Posted by nixer

all of you anti gravid/import ppl better stop shopping at all the pet stores! also you might wanna dodge narbc shows totally since most of the ppl that run it does alot of imports. then all big breeders also buy these. then i guess the flippers(most of the ones i know have pretty big collections of their own animals)

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Again, I am not anti imports. I am simply saying there are plenty of people breeding Balls in the US now that the amount of Balls getting imported could easily be cut in half and it only be a good thing for the Ball market as a whole. Seriously, would cutting the number down to roughly 50,000 being imported a year be a bad thing for the Ball market?

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Originally Posted by nixer

also you might wanna dodge narbc shows totally since most of the ppl that run it does alot of imports. then all big breeders also buy these. then i guess the flippers(most of the ones i know have pretty big collections of their own animals)

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Brian has strict rules about that. Only CBB animals are allowed in his show. Though I'm sure some people could lie and say that their WC or CH snake is CBB.