Large Orders Of Ball Pythons

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Originally Posted by Patrick Long

I think you may be getting these responses because you are spewing out statistics and whatnot that you have no way to back up.

How many ball pythons do you have???? 1 by your sig........

MAYBE just maybe THATS why we give you that response

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Wait... hold on... you guys are giving me aggressive replies because I only have ONE BP? Am I reading this right?

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Originally Posted by DutchHerp

Wait... hold on... you guys are giving me aggressive replies because I only have ONE BP? Am I reading this right?

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Not one bit.

If you read my reply you would understand that.



It matters that you have 1bp, yet you spew "knowledge" about them like you own thousands, like youve been to Africa, like youve ever held a CH snake.....

Alright guys.

I sincerely apologize for seeming aggressive in this thread. I should not have stated I am against animal export in large numbers in this particular thread.

My opinions are what they are. I will not change them.

I will stop posting them in this thread as I'm not making anyone happy and I HATE to be in the center of what seems to be a fight.

I loved BP.net because everyone was so friendly to eachother, and I'd love to keep it this way.

I just want to say that I'm very disappointed in everybody's aggressive reactions, and I think that most people on this forum would have handled that in a more polite way.

You guys can keep talking about me like I am an inexperienced idiot with only ONE BP, but just know that I love all my snakes, take the best possible care of them, and I want the best for all animals in this world.

It's not that you have your opinion, it's that you have a OPINION and are stating it like facts. The ball pythons are abused and tons die.. where is your fact to back it up? I've seen the video footage from over there. I've read the scientific statistics from over there. If you have factual proof of the CH farms abusing the snakes and so many of them dying, I want to see the proof. But you haven't shown any.
I don't consider it agressive to question your facts.

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Originally Posted by DutchHerp

Yes, really, they get bad care. Lots of these snakes die at their "ranches" and "farms".

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Actually, that's not true at all. I haven't been myself, but I have some close friends that have made the trip over many times and the setups in West Africa are comparable to what we have here in the US. Like it or not, it's a business and sick or dying snakes means loss of profits, so every effort is made to insure that the animals receive the best care possible.

As far as captive hatched babies that are exported in large numbers out of West Africa, they are bagged shortly after being hatched ... there really isn't any time for them to receive "bad care".

I think that the mistake a lot of people make is believing that there are just a bunch of crazy money grubbing pirates over there running around the woods scooping up as many ball pythons as they can get their hands on in order to make as much money as possible ... the reality is that ball pythons are a protected species that are carefully regulated around the world by the "Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora" or CITES ... it is a group of scientists and conservations from countries all around the world that set quotas on the numbers or protected species that can be exported from any given region based on the health of wild populations. If CITES allows a certain number of ball pythons to be exported from West Africa in a given year you can be assured that it is because that number will have no impact on the wild populations of the species in any way. There are smarter people than you or I making sure that ball pythons in the wild are safe and are being farmed responsibly.

Even though I am a captive breeder and I personally do not profit from the WC/CH ball python trade, I support it ... because in the end, the quotas are a form of population control for the ball python ... the alternative is either burning them to reduce wild populations or sending all of the CH/WC animals currently being exported to the meat trade ... neither of which I find particularly acceptable. As long as the business of exporting ball pythons to the pet trade is thriving, wild ball pythons have the best chance of living great lives.

But, everyone is certainly entitled to their own feelings and opinions and I have nothing but the utmost respect for others who choose to voice those feelings and opinions whether or not they are the same as my own ... free exchanges like this, as long as they remain mature and respectful, only make our hobby stronger by opening each others eyes to all of the views among us.

Hope this helps.

-adam

Well said sir.Thanks Adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Actually, that's not true at all. I haven't been myself, but I have some close friends that have made the trip over many times and the setups in West Africa are comparable to what we have here in the US. Like it or not, it's a business and sick or dying snakes means loss of profits, so every effort is made to insure that the animals receive the best care possible.

As far as captive hatched babies that are exported in large numbers out of West Africa, they are bagged shortly after being hatched ... there really isn't any time for them to receive "bad care".

I think that the mistake a lot of people make is believing that there are just a bunch of crazy money grubbing pirates over there running around the woods scooping up as many ball pythons as they can get their hands on in order to make as much money as possible ... the reality is that ball pythons are a protected species that are carefully regulated around the world by the "Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora" or CITES ... it is a group of scientists and conservations from countries all around the world that set quotas on the numbers or protected species that can be exported from any given region based on the health of wild populations. If CITES allows a certain number of ball pythons to be exported from West Africa in a given year you can be assured that it is because that number will have no impact on the wild populations of the species in any way. There are smarter people than you or I making sure that ball pythons in the wild are safe and are being farmed responsibly.

Even though I am a captive breeder and I personally do not profit from the WC/CH ball python trade, I support it ... because in the end, the quotas are a form of population control for the ball python ... the alternative is either burning them to reduce wild populations or sending all of the CH/WC animals currently being exported to the meat trade ... neither of which I find particularly acceptable. As long as the business of exporting ball pythons to the pet trade is thriving, wild ball pythons have the best chance of living great lives.

But, everyone is certainly entitled to their own feelings and opinions and I have nothing but the utmost respect for others who choose to voice those feelings and opinions whether or not they are the same as my own ... free exchanges like this, as long as they remain mature and respectful, only make our hobby stronger by opening each others eyes to all of the views among us.

Hope this helps.

-adam

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Thanks for this clear explanation and your respect for my opinions!

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

pirates over there running around the woods scooping up as many ball pythons as they can get their hands on -adam

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sounds like fun adam when are we going :rofl:

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Originally Posted by nixer

sounds like fun adam when are we going :rofl:

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I wanna go! I'll bring the rum!

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Originally Posted by DutchHerp

I am

COMLETELY
100%
TOTALLY

AGAINST

the mass importation of ANY animal.

I am not against keeping snakes, but importing thousands of animals from the wild just so people can keep them as pets or breed them is just wrong.

Reponsible keepers want to take the best care of their snakes, and reponsible keepers should not deplete the natural population of the animals they love.

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The fact that someone way back in the day took these animals out of their natural habitat for our viewing pleasure is totally wrong in the first place. Not that I don't 100% completely love my B.P....but now that we have more than enough captive breds available, why pull more wild animals out of where they belong? Seems kind of ridiculous and greedy to me and Ocho...

Josh and Ocho:snake: