How do you know...?

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Soooo, where's the argument? You just agreed with my original post! :P lol

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No, your original post said hets are carriers for recessive traits, when it could be a carrier of any type of trait (recessive, co-dom, or dominant).

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Originally Posted by ctrlfreq

No, your original post said hets are carriers for recessive traits, when it could be a carrier of any type of trait (recessive, co-dom, or dominant).

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You mean this? That's a het, when there is only one copy!

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Holy crap people

Recessive= 2 copies of the same allele needed to create the phenotype (expression). 1 copy is called a "het" and appears normal.

Co-Domiant= Partially expressed phenotype when only one allele present. Full expression when both copies are present. (pastel as an example is only partially expressed, and a super is the full expression of the pastel gene)

Dominant= Fully expressed when only one allele present. (dont matter if it has one or 2 copies, it's fully expressed)

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Your really starting to nit pick about the terms were using. In the BALL PYTHON HOBBY, when something is labeled "HET", we mean for a recessive trait.

You know that, so why are you making this so difficult????

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

You mean this? That's a het, when there is only one copy!

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Yes, but the comment was towards the "het" only being referenced when the gene is recessive. Any gene can be in a heterozygous arrangement, regardless of it's nature, and thus be a "het".

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Your really starting to nit pick about the terms were using. In the BALL PYTHON HOBBY, when something is labeled "HET", we mean for a recessive trait.

You know that, so why are you making this so difficult????

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Short answer, because it's wrong, confusing, and it is the cause for the exploitation of many new-comers.

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Soooo, where's the argument? You just agreed with my original post! :P lol

Het only means there is ONE copy of an allele. No more, no less.
Homo means there are 2 alleles....

Maybe thats what your confused about?

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no...I'm not confused, you clearly are. In your original post, you distinguished between co-dominant and recessive, which is accurate. However, you said that hets are carriers for a *recessive* trait. I pointed that out, and you agreed with that point again, even though yellowbelly/ivory is co-dom, as you said. Therefore, a yellowbelly, often called a "het ivory" is an example of a "het" that isn't a carrier of a recessive trait. It's a carrier of a super co-dom trait.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

:bow::bow::bow:

Yea stupid auto spell check..

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haha yeah I've had that one get me too!

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Originally Posted by ctrlfreq

Yes, but the comment was towards the "het" only being referenced when the gene is recessive. Any gene can be in a heterozygous arrangement, regardless of it's nature, and thus be a "het".

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Yea, DUH! Sorry I didnt spell it out for the other 2 descriptions. But that doesnt make what I said at all wrong! I just didn't expand to the full amount that you wanted. I thought it was pretty obvious.

Again, why are you so damn picky today? In every thread.... damn

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Your really starting to nit pick about the terms were using. In the BALL PYTHON HOBBY, when something is labeled "HET", we mean for a recessive trait.

You know that, so why are you making this so difficult????

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Then what about the yellowbelly??
His point is exactly that it doesn't matter for him, because he *does* know, but plenty of the people here asking questions DON'T know. That's why they're asking!
That's why if you say "het means it carries one copy of the gene needed to make a morph" then it will confuse them when they're going to look for a het spider or pastel

Recessive traits are only expressed when 2 copies of the allele are present. (is that ok?)

Co-dom is expressed in 2 different ways. If 1 copy is present, it is only partially expressed. When both copie are present, it has full expression.

Dominant is expressed both when there is one copy or two copies present.'

Heterozygous means there is only one copy of an allele.
Homozygous means there are 2 copies of the allele.

Is that what you wanted? Did I make you happy?

Ed,

I get what your saying keeping it simple for the beginners but then I also see the point CtrlFreq is trying to make. I guess in the end it comes down to the person seeking the knowledge. I'd rather have a harder time understanding something and know that when I do finally understand it that I fully "understand it". In the end the punnit square will always be my best friend, its just nice to know whats going on in each of those boxes...