Het Pied "Markers"--Fact or Fiction?

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Originally Posted by Nick Mutton

Something to consider, i have heard many people say they have normals that have the markers and that these animals are not hets. While this may be true, you really dont know if your "normals" are not hets unless you breed them to pied stock to find out.

There have been a few people who have produced surprise pieds from import females that have markers.

I have two females that have markers, and produce babies with markers. I have one older female with markers , who's duaghter with markers just gave me a clutch , some of wich had the markers, clearly passing the markers along for three generations, Now if onky I would not have sold my pied!

Nick

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ANYTHING can happen! I do know for a fact that not all "markered normals" are hets. I've tried to prove them out, unsuccessfully...

Justin

Here's a great clip of Ralph Davis looking through a het pied clutch and pointing out markered and unmarkered 100% hets.

You Tube Video

More info for the discussion!

Justin

Some have markers, some don't. Its that simple. :banana:

Thanks for posting that Justin, it's a good example of what the markers do look like when the snakes have them. It is interesting that so many hets do have them. I wonder what the difference is?

Sorry if this is a repeat question.

But what if one that is not a pied has the marker?
Wouldn't that prove that its just a completely random trait?

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

Sorry if this is a repeat question.

But what if one that is not a pied has the marker?
Wouldn't that prove that its just a completely random trait?

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It would prove that is can be a random trait. You're right!

But IMO it is not completely random. This year I'll produce 20-30 het pied eggs and I'll wager that 90%+ will have the marker... so far I'm at 100% with the maker.

The real question is how good an indicator is the marker when you're dealing with possible het pieds. I definitely don't think that every non-markered poss. het is a normal.

Justin

Well...

Update:

My poss het Pied WITHOUT markers did not prove out this year.

I produced 12 100% het pieds so far this year-8 of those have the markers, 4 do not.

Here is a possible possible het pied girl I'm keeping.

http://homevtour.home.comcast.net/~h..._belly_med.jpg

About 50% of the babies across two clutches got the 50% chance het dad's markers but most of the best quality ones where males except for this one.

Randy, that is typical of the "marker" that I look for in my pos. hets. I have 2 females that I'm trying this year. Every single 100% het I have produced have the marker and half of the 50% pos. hets have had it. I think what people don't realise is, that some normals do have a striped belly, but in a side by side comparison, it's apples and oranges. Pete Kahl wouldn't have sold all of his 100% hets, and kept all his 66% pos. hets if something wasn't going on. He is the one that discovered it. And I also agree, not all 100% hets will have it.....and it's most useful when buying pos. hets.

Like Justin said, it's not just about the stripes on the belly. See that yellow smudging on Randy's animal? I would bet that girl is a 100% het. Good luck with her.

Brandon Osborne