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Re: can a python tell whos its owner is?
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Originally Posted by redpython
i think it is rather sad when people try to put their emotional wants onto an animal that in reality could care less if they were no longer around, as long as that animals needs are met.
this is emotional need that humans have, is the same reason why they drag their snakes out in public, to the ocean, to walmart, etc etc.
i wish people would put the animals actual needs first, then their own emotional needs second.
So, what did you vote?
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Re: can a python tell whos its owner is?
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Originally Posted by redpython
i think it is rather sad when people try to put their emotional wants onto an animal that in reality could care less if they were no longer around, as long as that animals needs are met.
The question was simply, "can a python tell who its owner is?" I think you read more into it than was there. What you've responded with would seem to belong on the "does my snake love me" poll. :P
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Originally Posted by redpython
this is emotional need that humans have, is the same reason why they drag their snakes out in public, to the ocean, to walmart, etc etc.
I don't see how the need to show-off an animal like a prized possession, or for shock-value, equates with believing it recognizes its owner/primary care-giver.
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Originally Posted by redpython
i wish people would put the animals actual needs first, then their own emotional needs second.
What you seem to be describing is more along the lines of a need for external validation and recognition through the medium of owning an uncommon animal. In this instance, the snake. I believe you are describing a personality flaw that is belied by a much deeper issue within the individual.
There are people who deeply care for their animals, and perhaps, also believe that their animals reciprocate those feelings on some level. I don't think that this belief system indicates an inherent lack of devotion to the needs of their pet. In contrast, I'd suggest that it often indicates a higher level of overall dedication.
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Re: can a python tell whos its owner is?
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Originally Posted by NightLad
The question was simply, "can a python tell who its owner is?" I think you read more into it than was there. What you've responded with would seem to belong on the "does my snake love me" poll. :P
I don't see how the need to show-off an animal like a prized possession, or for shock-value, equates with believing it recognizes its owner/primary care-giver.
What you seem to be describing is more along the lines of a need for external validation and recognition through the medium of owning an uncommon animal. In this instance, the snake. I believe you are describing a personality flaw that is belied by a much deeper issue within the individual.
There are people who deeply care for their animals, and perhaps, also believe that their animals reciprocate those feelings on some level. I don't think that this belief system indicates an inherent lack of devotion to the needs of their pet. In contrast, I'd suggest that it often indicates a higher level of overall dedication.
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Re: can a python tell whos its owner is?
I picked yes, but much like a lot of others, I'm not 100% sure... alls I know is that one of my BP's ( male) is very calm when I hold him and he just lays there but when anybody else holds him he is all fussy and climbing everywhere like he wants down nomatter how calm/gentle the other person is with him...:confused:but again I'm not sure if I really should have picked yes since my other 2 Bp's don't do that... I wish there was a "maybe"
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Re: can a python tell whos its owner is?
I think they do
I know when i take mine out they are instantly roaming around
I can pet their heads they don't even flinch but when someone else trys they go back into a ball
my older male ( Monty) if I'm holding him and try to pass him over to someone he wraps himself around my arm with a death grip but if someone has him he is stretching some trying everything to get back to me
my blood on the other hand well if someone puts their hand in the tank within seconds of her tongue coming out ever muscle is tensed up and she makes a hissing sound and if I do it she relaxes ever muscle shes relaxes every muscle in my arms puts her head on my hands for me to rub her head with my thumb
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Re: can a python tell whos its owner is?
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Originally Posted by NightLad
The question was simply, "can a python tell who its owner is?" I think you read more into it than was there. What you've responded with would seem to belong on the "does my snake love me" poll. :P
With the high number of people saying their snakey recognizes them and only wants to be held by them, and start to attribute that to something more than it is... I would say this thread is verging on the same line as the "does my snake love me".
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There are people who deeply care for their animals, and perhaps, also believe that their animals reciprocate those feelings on some level. I don't think that this belief system indicates an inherent lack of devotion to the needs of their pet. In contrast, I'd suggest that it often indicates a higher level of overall dedication.
I find that most, if not all people that anthropomorphize on the "returning of feelings" are the same ones that buy their snakes a friend, or hold constantly or let the animal roam around because the snake wants to "play".
I too find it sad when we humans have to push our emotions on ANY animal we keep. Dogs, cats, fish, rats and snakes... it never fails. There will always be that person that really believes their animal loves them unconditionally.
That's a load of crock.
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Re: can a python tell whos its owner is?
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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl
With the high number of people saying their snakey recognizes them and only wants to be held by them, and start to attribute that to something more than it is... I would say this thread is verging on the same line as the "does my snake love me".
I agree it is close and the line can be blurred. I suppose it largely depends on how the individual reads the question.
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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl
I find that most, if not all people that anthropomorphize on the "returning of feelings" are the same ones that buy their snakes a friend, or hold constantly or let the animal roam around because the snake wants to "play".
Would that not also depend on the extent of the feelings the person believes their animal is capable of returning? If a person truly believes that their animal can feel the full range of human emotions, than I can see your point.
However, if the person simply holds a great deal of respect for the animal, than I feel that they would more likely to want the best stress-free living conditions on the animals terms. That includes not leaping to humanize the animals every response and action.
I agree that ‘humanizing’ can be detrimental to the animal when taken to extremes by otherwise well-meaning people. Look at pictures of dogs dressed up like babies and pushed around in baby strollers. You can't tell me that isn't a form of abuse! :P
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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl
I too find it sad when we humans have to push our emotions on ANY animal we keep. Dogs, cats, fish, rats and snakes... it never fails. There will always be that person that really believes their animal loves them unconditionally.
That's a load of crock.
As I mentioned on the "does my animal love me" thread, I don't know what level of emotions my snake is capable of feeling. I don't even know if its range of emotions can be equated to a humans, or if they are on such a different level that the titles we've constructed to describe our own would even apply to theirs. However, I'm not willing to completely dismiss an animal’s capacity to feel... something. There have been far too many cases of animals going above and beyond anything we'd normally consider being 'in their nature' for the welfare of their owners. I chose to believe (and it is a personal belief) that there might be something more and we presently understand.
Yet while I hold that belief, I will never dress Salzedo up in a little costume…. although I do reserve the right to speak to him in a baby-voice and to sing the 'Its Mice Day!" song prior to feeding! :D
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Re: can a python tell whos its owner is?
i voted no.
how many people sit around and cuddle their snakes, kiss them, caress them and talk to them? LOTS!
It is crazy...and no wonder we see on the nightly news, "Burmese python attacks owner..." and all it takes is one bite from that snake that knows you oh so well.
People do not understand the nature of the beast, they want the beast to be what their perception of how the beast should act, not how it is in reality. That is where the line is blurred. And this is a HUGE lack of respect towards the animal.
Bottom line, does your snake know you? I say no, but who can honestly say, it is all speculation, but i garuntee you, if you died tomorrow, and as long as your snake was taken care of properly for the rest of its life, it would not give a second though about you or care that you were gone.
and YES i do have bad grammar and create crazy long sentences.
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Re: can a python tell whos its owner is?
your right a snake does not love but I do think it can recognize its owner from others only because it is use to the smell of the the one that handles them the most they stick out their tongues to smell and when doing that they smell familar its merely a sence of security if snakes did not remember smells they would mistaking everything as a mouse when they were hungry.
I can't ever recall my snake trying to take a bite out of the water fountain because there was movement of water therefore I think they smell us as something that has been around a lot and has not eaten them so we are not a threat haha
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Re: can a python tell whos its owner is?
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Originally Posted by redpython
i voted no.
how many people sit around and cuddle their snakes, kiss them, caress them and talk to them? LOTS!
It is crazy...and no wonder we see on the nightly news, "Burmese python attacks owner..." and all it takes is one bite from that snake that knows you oh so well.
People do not understand the nature of the beast, they want the beast to be what their perception of how the beast should act, not how it is in reality. That is where the line is blurred. And this is a HUGE lack of respect towards the animal.
Bottom line, does your snake know you? I say no, but who can honestly say, it is all speculation, but i garuntee you, if you died tomorrow, and as long as your snake was taken care of properly for the rest of its life, it would not give a second though about you or care that you were gone.
and YES i do have bad grammar and create crazy long sentences.
You said that you say no to 'does your snake know you' but you continue with with 'Does your snake love you' Once again it is slowly switching to 'does your snake love you.'
In my opinion, there are 3 kinds of humanly love. Marriage, children love; Family, parent love; and pet, happy love. Marriage children love, now don't go staring on me, but I think is an emotion alot of animals feel, it's the need for continuity. Now I'm going to get married, I'm not saying marriage is a bad thing, I just think it's a word humans created of separating humans from animals, and making humans look superior. Family, parent love is is deep gratitude for the family and friends of yourself. I compare these two love feelings with fowl, more along the lines of geese, because they stay with the same partner, year after year, and protect their children just like any other animal, but they stay together and work together for the greater good of the children, and, like humans, the children rely on that. Now pet, happy love is a more warm cozy feeling of reliance and most pet owners expect pets to replicate that same love, dogs have it, cats have it, but some animals just aren't capable of more than 1 love/instinct, because of their small brain size. I.E Snakes.
Once again I have led off onto 'does my snake love me', and if this post offends any one please let me know immediately so I can remove it as to avoid another offending situation.:)
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