what do you think of hybrids

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rapture

I think hybrids could be a great idea if they were all produced responsibly and also microchipped... but I know that doesn't happen. I realize the problem with high percentage hybrids and the difficulty in finding a pure species. I know that there are already problems identifying carpet pythons and coloubrids, and I think the boas will soon follow, if they are not there already. I think 50% hybrids are probably the "coolest looking" and safest hybrids to produce. While we're on the subject... I have a carpet that was sold to me as a Coastal, but it doesn't seem to be a pure Coastal anymore... a very pretty animal, but I may never know what percent of what species it really is. This could possibly deter me from breeding her in the future.

---

And this is a perfect example of what I was saying. A misrepresented animal. And if I am not mistaken, the buyer threw my name in there when talking to you about his adults. Rapture and I conversed and I have never sold this "seller" one of my carpets. He may have got it from someone else, but I doubt it.

Not to mention, what if Rap bred this to a coastal later and tried to sell the babies as coastals. With as large a clutch as carpets have, you would have a few that would not show the coastal influence but more of the other crossed species.
If she is truly trying to breed and sell pure coastals, she has wasted several years in a project that didn't help the problem but make it worse by putting more hybrids on the market.

hmm good point for my carpet (im uploading pics now) they said it was a coastal but some pics i see mine dont look like no coastal mine looks like a HYBRID!? SOO
mpenn can you post some pics of pure costals and fake coastals ?

i agree. it dilutes the bloodline. making each snake less pure and less pure. were here to preserve the species not obliterate it and replace it with another

Just to clarify, I bought the snake because it was gorgeous. It was marked as a Coastal and I believed it to be so, as I am very inexperienced in identifying many carpet species. If she keeps her good looks, I will likely keep her for a long period of time, but I would not feel right breeding her to much of anything, as I would not even be able to identify her offspring to sell them. Then who knows what would be produced from her offspring, and so forth...

Maybe it will end up being like the horse-breeding world? Whereby, papers and registries will tell if people's breeding stock is pure or not..? Kinda like pedigreed dogs..?
Scary. I am going to rethink my hybrid opinions, as I admit to not being very wise to other snakes being crossed, besides the BP crosses.

Chances are high the ball hybrids will follow the same trend as others have... So far there are a good number of ball hybrids... The woma x ball, the carpet x ball, the borneo x ball, the F2 borneo x ball, the angolan x ball, the 75% ball 25% angolan... it may not be long before you know if your ball python is really 100% Python regius.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rapture

Chances are high the ball hybrids will follow the same trend as others have... So far there are a good number of ball hybrids... The woma x ball, the carpet x ball, the borneo x ball, the F2 borneo x ball, the burmese x ball, the angolan x ball, the 75% ball 25% angolan... it may not be long before you know if your ball python is really 100% Python regius.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MPenn

This is where you are wrong Andrew. The different carpet crosses here in the States are causing problems trying to find verifiable true species. There are a select few of us working with true forms (ie. pure coastal carpets, pure IJ's, etc.) to preserve the ability of future generations to find pure animals.
Have you looked at any of the 75% or 88% crosses?? Some could very easily be mistaken for a true breed.
Sure you can sleep sound and say that I will market and honestly represent the hybrids I produce. But, what about the person you sell the snake to?? How many times have you bought a snake and later sold it? How many people actually keep every animal they buy for the life of the animal??? Many snakes change hands many times and in those times I can tell you that I doubt the hybrid is always honestly represented.
I won't go with the argument about releasing them back into the wild. We all know this is not going to happen. But believe it or not, there are people out there that want a pure specimen of whatever species. The more high percentage crosses out there, the less the ability to find a pure form.
I am also a member on another forum where a guy in Europe who is a known carpet species hybridizer recently bought some snakes that were a bit unusual but he was told they were pure jungles (cheynei). Well he finally acquired the breeding adults of what he had bought and lo and behold, they were a hybrid. Looks to be a Savu x jungle carpet. The babies he had were 75%ers. You could tell by looking at some that they were hybrids for sure but there was one that could easily be mistaken for a pure jungle. Remember that percentages are only arbitrary. In a given clutch like this, they will not all be exactly 75% jungle. It is only statistical.

---

I agree Mike. Look at all of the "Diamonds" you see for sale...I see 10x more % Diamonds for sale than I do %100 Diamonds.

There are plenty of % Diamonds that could be passed off for %100 Diamonds, and it has happened plenty of times.


Mike

Omg Superball Is Awesome

I think hybrids are a bad idea. Yeah they may look cool, but I would not want to spend alot of money on a project just to have it messed up by a hybrid. There are alot of unhonest people out there. Just look at how many times people think they are buying hets only to find out they have been screwed. So why should I beleive that the same wont happen with hybrids.