NERD Lemon vs Graziani Pastel

So, I posted Winston last year - a lemon pastel - and I wasn't disappointed with the two pastels he threw last season - even more reason why I love lemons!

Male - Frankykeno's boy, Finn - who will be shipping to her soon - photo courtesy of Matt - Beardedragon:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...a/DSC01622.jpg

Female - Libra - holdback:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...a/IMG_4757.jpg

NERD, they really do keep their color better. My pastel male is a NERD and he keeps getting brighter with every shed, granted he's only about 7 months old, but every time he sheds I'm suprized to find him brighter than he started.

I must go with the NERD pastel. The really light yellow amazes me every time...

I like them both. In my opinion, they both have equal flaws and strengths. For me when it comes down to it, I plan on getting both.

i know i will catch heat for this. but does any one think they are the same thing. just diffrent levels. just like the mojo. lesser, butter.. at the end of the day if you can breed each and get a supers dosnt that provide the truth. keep in mind i dont want to start any trouble. i just think they are more grades of the same thing. like blonds are the A+ and lemons are As and grazi are A-. but keep in mind who was the first to have them. so you might have to give them the props.

Honestly, I know Graziani has done a lot for the industry, but I really dont like any of his lines....especially pastels and cinnies.

I see your point on the bloodlines though, and I am not really sure. I think the pastels have such a drastic color difference that the gene must be on different loci, and therefore not compatible. As for the mojo, lesser and butter argument....I still have not heard a definitive answer from someone who tried to prove it out by crossing a lesserxbutter, or if so, if it is possible to have two separate morphs that are het for the same "super". I think the mojo is entirely different, but that is just based on what I see, and I have no breeding records to prove it either way.

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Originally Posted by ThyTempest

Honestly, I know Graziani has done a lot for the industry, but I really dont like any of his lines....especially pastels and cinnies.

I see your point on the bloodlines though, and I am not really sure. I think the pastels have such a drastic color difference that the gene must be on different loci, and therefore not compatible. As for the mojo, lesser and butter argument....I still have not heard a definitive answer from someone who tried to prove it out by crossing a lesserxbutter, or if so, if it is possible to have two separate morphs that are het for the same "super". I think the mojo is entirely different, but that is just based on what I see, and I have no breeding records to prove it either way.

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Actually I don't know If I am reading what you wrote correctly but. Lesser / Butter / Mojo any combination of 2 of them ends in some form of Blue Eyed Lucy if I am not mistaken. That does not make them the same morph though. They just end up with slight variations of the same outcome.

Honestly I can go back and forth with pastel's. The ones I have seen for sale most dont really do it for me , I tend to see alot of variances , I see some NERD that I like and then I see some Graziani I like but the majority of them I wouldnt like enough to buy I think the only one I have really flipped over is a couple that White diamond reptiles has and I think he's proved one of them 2 yrs now and she is roast your eyes bright.As to me I do like brighter the better so I'll just stick with the super pastels

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Originally Posted by RegiusCo

Each lineage has its share of beauties and uglies. Problem is most breeders in the past just simply bred any ready females to their Pastels instead of selectively breeding to refine the look.

Here is our 2004 F3 Graziani male! I prefer blushing on my Pastels :D
http://www.reptilescanada.com/galler..._Pastel_1a.jpg

Marc

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Agreed Granted most grazianis fade and get that stone washed look but I love that. :)
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...r/SNC10779.jpg
and heres my other pastel.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...r/SNC10745.jpg

Here's my Graz pastel line...

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r...9/IMG_4593.jpg