Big Daddy Wholesale

Will I ever get to know you??? I dunno....that depends entirely on whether or not you seem like someone I would like to get to know. Therefore...how one goes about presenting themselves to the general public, and how they go about defending themselves or their friends DOES matter.....at least to some...regardless of how "good" a businessman or animal keeper you are.

That's just me.[/QUOTE]


I agree.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

That's right. Everyone has their own opinion. I am glad you find it funny. I don't, and I am pretty sure that most others don't. Some people are about the animals and some are about the money. I think the facts on Big Daddy's Wholesale speak for themselves and everyone can come to their own conclusions.

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Yes everyone can come to there own conclusions. I kind of agreed with your post about me stating my opinion and leaving it at that and not get so touchy about it. I just don't believe that the BOI contains the whole story. But again what do I know? I also don't think Allen deserves this? I think you people have him all wrong b/c someone said this and that? But whatever. SOme of it is funny to me. The only ignorance I was talking about was YOU, someone who doesn't even know what he looks like or anything about him can just come on here and trash them. Whether you like him or not is your opinion but don't come talk about someone you don't even know. Personally you don't wanna know what I think about your ignorance. But this is america and you can say as you please. I also agree again with you some our about money and some are about animals. Some people are about both. But I am not going to get into a pissing match with you cause hey that wouldn't do nothing but ruin my Daytona trip. So I'll leave it at that. Sorry for putting my .2 cents in.

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Originally Posted by ConstrAddiction

Yes everyone can come to there own conclusions. I kind of agreed with your post about me stating my opinion and leaving it at that and not get so touchy about it. I just don't believe that the BOI contains the whole story. But again what do I know? I also don't think Allen deserves this? I think you people have him all wrong b/c someone said this and that? But whatever. SOme of it is funny to me. The only ignorance I was talking about was YOU, someone who doesn't even know what he looks like or anything about him can just come on here and trash them. Whether you like him or not is your opinion but don't come talk about someone you don't even know. Personally you don't wanna know what I think about your ignorance. But this is america and you can say as you please. I also agree again with you some our about money and some are about animals. Some people are about both. But I am not going to get into a pissing match with you cause hey that wouldn't do nothing but ruin my Daytona trip. So I'll leave it at that. Sorry for putting my .2 cents in.

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So you agree with my assertion that everyone can come to their own conclusions and state their opinions yet I am ignorant for stating mine. Sometimes its not just what you know about someone personally but a collection of information from different sources that help you to make a decision. I believe that you know Allen personally and believe that you think he is a good guy. Whether its true or not, I don't know. I can only go by what I have seen and from information I have gathered. I'm an adult and can handle people disagreeing with my opinions. Your 2 cents are respected and welcomed on this forum, even if I happen to disagree with some of them :)

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Originally Posted by ConstrAddiction

The only ignorance I was talking about was YOU, someone who doesn't even know what he looks like or anything about him can just come on here and trash them.

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That has nothing to do with judging how he conducts business though.

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Originally Posted by ConstrAddiction

this? I think you people have him all wrong b/c someone said this and that? But whatever. SOme of it is funny to me. The only ignorance I was talking about was YOU, someone who doesn't even know what he looks like or anything about him can just come on here and trash them.

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Unfortunately there are a LOT of scammers and scumbags in this industry. For the most part the only thing a person has to go by when deciding to purchase from someone is their reputation as presented by previous customers. If I read a lot of negative reports from a variety of people about a breeder, why would I want to spend the time trying to get to know this person? There are way too many breeders out there to see if one person may have been wronged by a conspiratorial group of individuals.

If that does happen to be the case, then the onus is on that breeder to clear his name and defend his position from those allegations. It shouldn't be too difficult if the truth is on his side...

Not to stir up the hornets nest anymore then it already is, but from what I saw at the show this weekend, and how you treated a VERY unhappy customer, I wouldn't buy from you if you were giving your snakes away. Even your "assistants" treated the poor kid like crap, if any of the breeders here felt they did wrong to a customer, I guarantee they would of done anything within reason to fix the situation. You, you literally told the guy you are done, turned your back, and walked away. Great customer service there.

I may not know you on a personal level, but I don't need to to know what I saw with my own eyes, to hear with my own ears. You are a disgrace to the herp society. I felt bad for the people looking at your table and asking you questions, I feel even worse for the people that buy from you or have in the past.

I did find it amusing that when talking with the poor guy that got screwed, he said he got online and did some research on ya and said the amount of information out there that is all negative towards you didn't shock him at all. Reputation is powerful, and it doesn't just come out of thin air, it is based on your actions, your words, it is based on you.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

If it looks lik poop and smells like poop, guess what it probably is?

Since this isn't the BOI, I'll just repost these links from earlier in the thread.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/for...daddy+wholesale

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/for...daddy+wholesale


I guess everyone is a liar and Allen is a standup guy. Yeah, that's it.. :colbert:

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once again a little nobody is going to add something to the mix.............

not to keep anything going but, someone asked a question, and Jamie answered without bashing the big baddy! he simply added a link that he thought was useful, now i would have to agree that when there is smoke there is fire......just a couple of old pennies from little ol me! (but some call me big daddy, but thats besides the point, not to be confused with the big daddy we are talking about) (happy sunday)

p.s! isn't that what the boi is about........i don't even read the posts on there.....i look up a name.....and if i see negs......out weighing the positive case closed! no more too read........seriously who wants to waste their time and lie about a breeder.............i'm going to the gym ahhhhhhh :mad:

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Originally Posted by xdeus

Unfortunately there are a LOT of scammers and scumbags in this industry. For the most part the only thing a person has to go by when deciding to purchase from someone is their reputation as presented by previous customers. If I read a lot of negative reports from a variety of people about a breeder, why would I want to spend the time trying to get to know this person? There are way too many breeders out there to see if one person may have been wronged by a conspiratorial group of individuals.

If that does happen to be the case, then the onus is on that breeder to clear his name and defend his position from those allegations. It shouldn't be too difficult if the truth is on his side...

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my point exactly............:sweeet:

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Originally Posted by Big Daddy

See the problem here is that you people admittedly don't know me. You don't know whether or not my facilities are clean! You don't know whether I breed or buy animals! You don't know why, how or for what reason I am in this business! You don't know alot!!!
So here's a small list of people who do know these answers. How about take half as much time as you waste posting on me and gossiping about me when really you don't even know me and use it constructively.
Neil Golli
Michael Cole
Josh Baer
Shawn Baer
Terry Herring
Dean Murphy
This should give you a starting point. All of these people have been to my facilities. Some were announced and some weren't.
SEE IF THE TRUTH IS WHAT YOU PEOPLE REALLY WANT, WHY DON'T YOU ASK SOMEONE WHO REALLY KNOWS?
But if the truth from (respectable breeders) as one person called Neil Golli, who has seen with his own eyes is not what you really want. Then just continue to post and gossip about what your friends grandmothers nextdoor nieghbors stepsons bestfriends brotheri-in-laws co-worker said.
Allen Belcher

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you might have been better off assuaging people fears about the way you do business it would have been a much better approach.
You always post pics of nice looking animals I have to say, but there are more bad stories about you than good, and if this above post is the way you are going to handle them, then I'd just as well not deal with you. Next time realize that public relations have a lot to do with how your business goes and that next time, instead of acting righteous you might want to go about answering some of the questions/accusations/problems people have had with you in a more productive manner.

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Originally Posted by ConstrAddiction

Hey Allen how are you? People are ignorant what can you say?

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Originally Posted by ConstrAddiction

The only ignorance I was talking about was YOU, someone who doesn't even know what he looks like or anything about him can just come on here and trash them.

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are you serious? Are you really going to fight another persons battles and trash your own name? You're not even going about it in an eloquent well spoken manner, you're like a bull in a china shop. You're calling everyone ignorant and making outrageous claims, and I don't think your 'business' will EVER get off the ground if you don't learn something about dealing with people. Both you and Allen really need to think about your business practices, and YOU need to stop being a jerk when people are stating their opinion based on the experiences of others. I think that yes, some have good experiences with a seller and some have bad, and in THIS particular case, after reading others' experiences and reading Allen's response I will never buy from this man because 1. others had sick/badly kept snakes from him and 2. because instead of dealing with the problem he acts as though he's above it.
In my eyes, if you really think you need to take on a cause, donate to charity. Because to be quite honest, you really ruined how I will view your Contriction Addiction Reptiles, because I will always remember how you call everyone ignorant. No one on this site even bashed Allen hard, they just said from stories they heard, and there are lots of them, they wouldn't buy from him. And if you've had a good experience, post it in the BOI instead of acting like a jerk to people who know all about his bad sales in the past.

This business has to do with how people perceive you, and you have to be at least a decent guy for many to want to buy from you, so good luck with that.