Curiosity and genetics...overbite?

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Originally Posted by westcoastjungle

Mad scientist remark, very funny.
Breeding deformed animals, not funny.

Breed for beauty!

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This guy agrees! :rockon:

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I hate to change the subject but if you think freezing an animal alive is a humane way to euthinize it, I am kind of doubting that you really have these animals best interests in mind anyway.

My personal opinion is that purposely breeding a genetic flaw into an animal just to find out if it is a genetic trait is inhumane.

All that I am wondering is...if this "experiment" doesn't follow through, how will anyone know if this is a genetic trait? How will anyone know that a certain environmental factor(s) may be influencing this physical deformity? A control needs to be set up, as well as variables, in order to pin point the cause of this mystery. If we end it at "just keep them as pets," will others (who are not aware of this discussion) have a reason not to do it themselves?

Just my $.02

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

I have to agree with what Sassy has just said. It seems to me, and perhaps I'm a tad naive here, but isn't the whole point of becoming a breeder to enhance a breed and bring out it's best potential? I don't care whether you're talking dogs, horses, snakes, whatever....it seems to me to purposely bring together two living creatures with obvious physical faults just makes absolutely no sense.

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I think you are being naive on the real intentions of breeding. Wiener dogs have obvious physical faults (tones of skeletal and mobility problems) yet people bring them together to breed all the time. I really don't think breeding any organism has anything to do with bringing out "blood lines" that are stronger, better, etc. Stronger in what sense? In a human aesthetic sense? Stronger to serve some human need or function?

What I think most selective breeding has to do in most cases is creating an animal or plant for a specific human purpose or to make living art. By best potential if you mean faster horse, quicker greyhound, or brightest spider ball python then I understand what you are saying. But in order to push the envelope then breeders usually have to make a few mistakes on the way. They may end up concentrating some bad alleles as they attempt to achieve an animal with a certain look.....as long as the animal is somewhat healthy and can survive for some time it seems to be deemed appropriate and according to your standards "stronger".

Green_Man I have to agree and I'm glad I wasn't the only one who caught that. Then again she has been known to tell people to put "unwanted" eggs in the freezer or to :just throw them away". It doesn't surprise me at all that she puts live reptiles (and who knows what else) to sleep by freezing it to death in the freezer.

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Originally Posted by Mendel's Balls

I think you are being naive on the real intentions of breeding. Wiener dogs have obvious physical faults (tones of skeletal and mobility problems) yet people bring them together to breed all the time.

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You really don't want to know my very strong opinions on the breeding of purebred dogs that ends up with dogs that can no longer free whelp, have shortened life spans due to physical issues, have unstable temperments, etc. Sorrry but I'm not a person that agrees that breeding for the sake of a "look" should ever be more important than breeding for soundness, good temperment, faithfulness to the original intent of that breed. I'm not naive Mendel...not at all. I'm just far too nice to express my real opinion about people that breed in ways that make me pull my hair out and wonder where their brain is. Just because we can "bring them together" shouldn't give us the right to ruin them.

Dangit! You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to frankykeno again.

First of all, I agree with Jamie.:D Ethics and Sara do not go together very often.
Second of all, I saw these spiders with the overbites on reptile auction. Even at $10 a peice, they should not be bought with any thought of breeding.
I am guessing since the guy made it very clear these were to be pets only and not to be bred (hence the spuper low price) you did not say you might breed these eventually.

There should be no question. DO NOT BREED THESE!
Spiders have enough genetic quirks. You do not need to add to them.
ONLY the BEST quality animals should ever be bred.

Iam just curious did you buy them off of the reptile auction?

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Can we put a stop to the personal attacks and comments please?

It is perfectly possible to express your feeling and thoughts on the issue without resorting to them and they show neither side in a very good light.


dr del