PETA members "get it"

I just don't see why anyone here would want to support a group that would seek to end the reptile hobby...?

I don't have a problem with anyone else being vegan, just I would never want to do it myself, and can't support any group that wants to force that lifestyle on people.

Thanks. VERRRYYY INTERESTING.

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" Phil Hirschkop, a lawyer for PETA, said the group got complaints about horrible conditions in animal shelters. Emaciated dogs unable to move, lying in their own filth. Animals suffering through long, terrifying deaths in gas chambers. Animals being killed with a drug that caused their internal organs to seize up while they were still conscious,

PETA employees would clean and renovate shelters, hand out free doghouses to the poor, and take sick animals to the vet. They set up programs that allowed residents to get their animals spayed or neutered at no cost. And they began handling euthanizations at the shelters, Hirschkop said.

They used the same method that veterinarians use: an injection of sodium pentobarbitol that kills the animal almost instantly.


"PETA's choice is to allow those animals to be shot or gassed in a very cruel manner, or to euthanize them themselves and at least do it humanely," Hirschkop said.


By 2005, the PETA people were picking up so many animals that they didn't have room in their small van to carry them back to Norfolk alive. So Hinkle took them from the shelters one by one and euthanized them in the van, Hirschkop said.

Hirschkop said the pair dumped the animals because they had other stops to make and the animals often started to smell before they got back to Norfolk, where PETA has facilities for cremating animals."

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I believe that back at their Norkfolk, they would of either humanely euthanized them anyways. But it is wrong to just dump the bodies. :(
That just makes them look veeerrry bad. I mean they are anti against how hens eat their hen mates dead bodies and everything at farms, yet they would have dead animals in the van with life ones.. or did they? It didnt say. But evem if they euthanized the animals in th evans, they should've went straight to to Norkfolk, then went back to do their stops. Or call in for another PETA van. Lets home this will help them learn that next time, thy must think clearly. I mean.. If I was a officer or even a resitdent in that area and saw many cat and dog bodies suddently appears all over the place in trash cans and everything.. I would get woprried as well.

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Originally Posted by Chester & Teagan

You CANNOT compare prison inmates to the innocent. The people of the Halocaust were innocent and many of them after being there for even less then a year looked forward to death! Not a few yrs of torture. That you can compare if you compare humans and animals. Animal are innocent, and dont understand why they are born in misery and hurt and pain and death...

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That's a typical example of a Chewbacca defense. I said nothing of guilt or innocence. I only commented on will... and your Holocaust example is one of the worst analogies I've ever seen. Animal Shelters don't torture the animals that live there.

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Prison vs innocent is different... Guilty vs Innocent is different... They may be similar, but the conscience is different of the living being.

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You are all over the place. Guilt or innocence matters little in a conversation about the will to live.

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A dog liek any other animal doesnt understand being born in cages. Its better to die then spend a liftime in misery and suffering and wondering "Why?"

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Again, who exactly gave you the right to make that determination? And furthermore, an animal shelter does not condone misery or suffering... they are designed to prevent just that.

I for one believe hey, atleast Animal Labs arent getting the cats and dogs instead. In many places Labs arent allowed to breed their animals, so they must get them from shleters and all. And many of them shelters who cant find the animals a home, they decide to hand the animals over to the Labs. But then again. If your pro Animal research then you'd think thats great if not you'd think thats a plus for the animals and bette rbe euthanized then in a Lab and all. Hey thanks for the article :)

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Originally Posted by jhall1468

That's a typical example of a Chewbacca defense. I said nothing of guilt or innocence. I only commented on will... and your Holocaust example is one of the worst analogies I've ever seen. Animal Shelters don't torture the animals that live there.

Oh not torture. Perhaps not torture physically. but being locked up most of the day, is mental and spirit torture, which I believe is far worse then physical pain. Sorry if th eanalogy was one of the worst, but I also thought yours with the "prison inmates" and all was the worst I always hear. Then again we have different Opinions on this.

You are all over the place. Guilt or innocence matters little in a conversation about the will to live.


I dont care about the guilty. If they want death bring it, if they want to live, oh well. But the innocent dont diserve being caged is what I was getting at. I for one, if I had life sentence and was innocent, and in solitary confinement, boxed in almost 24/7 then death sounds like a mercy.

Again, who exactly gave you the right to make that determination? And furthermore, an animal shelter does not condone misery or suffering... they are designed to prevent just that.

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Who gave me the right? Well my will power and freedom of speech and freedom of thoughts and being different did.

Yes designed to prevent it, but even animal hoarder are like that. You start out taking in animals and soon you do littl eneglect which for the animals can be psycilogical abuse and spirit abuse. They may prevent physical abuse, but mental and spirit? I dont think so.

I just have one thing to say about shelters and rescue groups. Some DO exercise thier animals and provide excellent care.

I have two examples.

Richmond Animal League. As far as I can see, all of thier animals are healthy. They are provided with nutritious food in the right amount. Not too much, not too little. Each dog is assigned its own kennel, a smaller front side and longer back side. They can retreat to the back side if things get a little crazy in the front. They are provided with toys, treats, blankets, and the kennel is washed out all the time. Each dog is taken on a walk at least once a day, and basic obedience training is used while on the little walk. When the weather permits, the dogs are allowed out into a spacious backyard. They are assigned groups so that dogs that have conficts with each other will not be running without a leash with each other, as this could lead to fights. All dogs are socialized and given wonderful vet care.

Richmond SPCA

A wonderful shelter and I swear, its so nice, I'd send my dogs there for a vacation. LOL. The entire shelter is kept very clean. And older dogs are hardly looked over in favor of a new puppy, as they don't have many puppies there. Thier animals are given excellent vet care and volunteers, as far as I've seen, give the animals love and attention. Not the mention, there are constantly people in there playing with the cats and dogs. We recently had to surrender two kittens to the SPCA because my fiance's cat had four kittens. (we adopted one out ourselves, and kept one) and the SPCA was more than happy to have my fiance's mother come down and interact with the kittens whenever she wanted and gave us a phone call the day each kitten was adopted.

Please do not think that all shelters are a horrible place. Sometimes the shelters are in fact a better situation than the animal came from. I would rather an animal at least be given a chance at life than snuffing it out just because "it might not get adopted" or "the dog doesn't get everything it needs". These people are trying thier hardest to find these animals new homes and are doing the best they can. Most of the time, the places are run only by volunteers, so these people are doing this great service free of charge and are using up thier own time to do this.

I for one LOVE no kill animal shelters. But with the over demanding unwanted pets daily. Many switch their ways to euthanizing :( Its sad. I dont think all shelters are bad. I for one like the ones that actually foster out animals. And Dont prejudge an animal because of their breed, or anything. Those shelters are the ones I love. :) I believe animals shoudl be given a chance to find homes. Like aggressive, or shy dogs should be fostered to bring out their inner beauty their friendly, huamn companion animal dog people love to see, before being stuck in a kennel with people looking at you. but sometimes thats not how things are :(

Oh and on a side-note. RAL fosters out animals. I for one would love to foster a dog or cat, but my grandmother has told me each time I bring it up. "NO!" so I have to let that rest and just volunteer. But, RAL is always actively looking for foster homes so that these animals are not always in a kennel. Also, cats are not kept in kennels all day. There is a cat room where the cats roam free within the confines of the room, are given plenty of toys to play with and are exersized by volunteers everyday. And those cats who are in cages at the front of the building, are given periods of time during the day where they can roam free as well.

That indeed sound slike a great Animal shelter. If ALL shelters wer elike that. I believe we wouldnt have animal Labs trying to tak ein any unwanted cat or dog, or PETA wanting to rescue and euthanize them.

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Originally Posted by Chester & Teagan

In many places Labs arent allowed to breed their animals, so they must get them from shleters and all.

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They would be allowed to breed their animals if it were'nt for the actions of animal terrorists like PETA.

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Originally Posted by jotay

In the early 80's I owned a business and I did send a fair amount of money their way especially during the monkee incident out at NIH. But I soon realized they where a bit to far to the "left" for me when it came down to house pets etc.
It is to bad because some of the work they do is needed very much so.

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I've commented on the siliver springs case before.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...1&postcount=20

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