A few mite questions

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Originally Posted by djslurp1200

I have only had mites one time... I used Pam for that one time and it worked great but recently I have talked to a few differen't breeders and they have told me not to waste the money because it works just as good for literally a tenth of the price. It's the same exact thing, except one is called PAM and cost $20.00 and one is called Equate and cost $3.00!

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So you've never actually used the home remedy that you are advocating?

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Originally Posted by djslurp1200

Adam, it's not about taking shortcuts or even mixing solutions. I'm talking about going to walmart and paying 3 dollars for the same can that you recommend that people buy that cost $20.

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That's a lie ... they are not the same thing ... Provent a mite is federally approved by the FDA for treating snake mites ... the other is a lice/flea treatment approved by the FDA for that purpose ... using equate to treat mites on snakes is actually a violation of federal law (look it up).

But here's the real kicker ... I have 500+ animals and a can of provent a mite lasts me well over a year. When you're a "flipper" or a breeder that is constantly moving animals in and out of your collection and taking animals to and from shows, you're risk for mites is HUGE and you have to spray spray spray every day ... OF COURSE those guys are looking for "cheap" outs ... they probably use a can a weekend ... For a small time hobbyist like yourself with a couple of animals, what's the big deal ... a can of PAM will probably last you 5 years?? Are you telling me that the difference of $15 for a federally approved and tested product that is 100% safe for your animal spread out over 5 years isn't worth it?

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

That's a lie ... they are not the same thing ... Provent a mite is federally approved by the FDA for treating snake mites ... the other is a lice/flea treatment approved by the FDA for that purpose ... using equate to treat mites on snakes is actually a violation of federal law (look it up).

But here's the real kicker ... I have 500+ animals and a can of provent a mite lasts me well over a year. When you're a "flipper" or a breeder that is constantly moving animals in and out of your collection and taking animals to and from shows, you're risk for mites is HUGE and you have to spray spray spray every day ... OF COURSE those guys are looking for "cheap" outs ... they probably use a can a weekend ... For a small time hobbyist like yourself with a couple of animals, what's the big deal ... a can of PAM will probably last you 5 years?? Are you telling me that the difference of $15 for a federally approved and tested product that is 100% safe for your animal spread out over 5 years isn't worth it?

-adam

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Can we all stop looking for shortcuts when it comes to our animal's care? Would you take chances like that with your baby? Lets see, Gerber baby food or Scurvy Sam's brand that was made in his moldy/mildewed basement by hand between rounds of nose picking and ass scratching?

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Lets see, Gerber baby food or Scurvy Sam's brand that was made in his moldy/mildewed basement by hand between rounds of nose picking and ass scratching?

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Beautiful!! :D LMAO

It's a can, exactly the same as PAM, exactly the same size as PAM, you could paint a can of PAM black and a can of Equate Black and have them analyzed and they are the same stuff!! But pam is marketed for snakes.

Nix is a powder and requires mixing, Equate is EXACTLY like PAM and used the same manor! Same instructions! If you misuse PAM you can kill your snakes too!!

Same for sterilite tubs, were these marketed for keeping snakes? I can go on Reptiletubs.com and buy $10.00 tubs or I can buy at Wal-Mart for $2.00!

It's not about a short cut or being cheap, it's why the heck should anyone pay more for the same stuff!! It's like one McDonald's sells a Big Mac for $5.00 and the McDonald's next to it sells the same hamburger called a Big Mack for $1.00, which would you go to? Does that make you cheap or is another word for it SMART!!

I'm not going to go into it anymore...just giving a cheaper alternative to the same product. ;)

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Originally Posted by djslurp1200

It's a can, exactly the same as PAM, exactly the same size as PAM, you could paint a can of PAM black and a can of Equate Black and have them analyzed and they are the same stuff!! But pam is marketed for snakes.

Nix is a powder and requires mixing, Equate is EXACTLY like PAM and used the same manor! Same instructions! If you misuse PAM you can kill your snakes too!!

Same for sterilite tubs, were these marketed for keeping snakes? I can go on Reptiletubs.com and buy $10.00 tubs or I can buy at Wal-Mart for $2.00!

It's not about a short cut or being cheap, it's why the heck should anyone pay more for the same stuff!! It's like one McDonald's sells a Big Mac for $5.00 and the McDonald's next to it sells the same hamburger called a Big Mack for $1.00, which would you go to? Does that make you cheap or is another word for it SMART!!

I'm not going to go into it anymore...just giving a cheaper alternative to the same product. ;)

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Do you believe everything you read? Provent a mite has been FDA approved for the treatment of mites in reptiles. Therefore it has been put through testing to determine the actual ingredients. As we all know, manufacturers have been known to be less than accurate about the quality of ingredients used in their products. You say its the same and it may very well be. However, it has not been put through the rigorous testing to prove it. You have become quite an expert in a short time with very little experience. Very impressive! :eek:

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Do you believe everything you read? Provent a mite has been FDA approved for the treatment of mites in reptiles. Therefore it has been put through testing to determine the actual ingredients. As we all know, manufacturers have been known to be less than accurate about the quality of ingredients used in their products. You say its the same and it may very well be. However, it has not been put through the rigorous testing to prove it. You have become quite an expert in a short time with very little experience. Very impressive! :eek:

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I'm not claiming to be an expert at all...I've just done my homework. Your right provent a mite is FDA approved for the treatment of mites in reptiles...probably because it's marketed as a reptile treatment...I'm sure that Equate would pass FDA just as well...but why would they try to? when it's marketed for humans...it's the same stuff.

Here's another testimonial about it...

from... http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/n...reply&p=423701

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

I use Equate Bedding Spray for Lice Treatment that can be found at any Walmart.....works just as well as PAM, but only a fraction of the price tag.

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Originally Posted by djslurp1200

I'm not claiming to be an expert at all...I've just done my homework. Your right provent a mite is FDA approved for the treatment of mites in reptiles...probably because it's marketed as a reptile treatment...I'm sure that Equate would pass FDA just as well...but why would they try to? when it's marketed for humans...it's the same stuff.

Here's another testimonial about it...

from... http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/n...reply&p=423701

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You could have a testimonial from the pope and it wouldn't change the facts. But you go ahead and save a few bucks. As Adam mentioned, with over 500 snakes a can of PAM lasts him over a year.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

You could have a testimonial from the pope and it wouldn't change the facts. But you go ahead and save a few bucks. As Adam mentioned, with over 500 snakes a can of PAM lasts him over a year.

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So would a can of equate! For $17 less.

There are 100's of testimonials of people who've used Equate as PAM with great success all over on other forums. The same way Ed Clark and others have had success with Nix when used properly. Can you harm or kill your snakes if misused, YES. Can you very easily kill your snake with PAM if misused (even though it states for Reptiles)...YES!

Guys, I'm not arguing here. Use PAM if you want to pay $20.00, it's a great product used by many many people in the hobby. If you want the same effect with the same usage as PAM, others have used Equate as an alternative for $4.00 purchased at any Wal-Mart. If you prefer another method and don't mind the mixing, Nix is also another alternative used by many as well as stated by Ed. I personally prefer a spray like PAM or Equate rather than Nix, but I am not harassing those who use Nix.

To each his own!


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Originally Posted by djslurp1200

So would a can of equate! For $17 less.

There are 100's of testimonials of people who've used Equate as PAM with great success all over on other forums. The same way Ed Clark and others have had success with Nix when used properly. Can you harm or kill your snakes if misused, YES. Can you very easily kill your snake with PAM if misused (even though it states for Reptiles)...YES!

Guys, I'm not arguing here. Use PAM if you want to pay $20.00, it's a great product used by many many people in the hobby. If you want the same effect with the same usage as PAM, others have used Equate as an alternative for $4.00 purchased at any Wal-Mart. If you prefer another method and don't mind the mixing, Nix is also another alternative used by many as well as stated by Ed. I personally prefer a spray like PAM or Equate rather than Nix, but I am not harassing those who use Nix.

To each his own!


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