cinnamon pastel vs. black pastel

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

The original question I presented was; If you breed a pastel to a black pastel and you do the same breeding to a cinnamon, and they produce different offspring? how can cinnamons and blacks be the same?

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So you are saying that cinnamon x cinnamon, black pastel x black pastel, and black pastel x cinnamon produce three different types of homozygous animals?

-adam

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

The original question I presented was; If you breed a pastel to a black pastel and you do the same breeding to a cinnamon, and they produce different offspring? how can cinnamons and blacks be the same?

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It's called lineage ;). The Black and Cinnamon are the same genes, at the same loci. If they weren't, Black x Cinnamon crossings wouldn't produce anything.

That should read wouldn't produce supers or homozygous black/cinnamons.

What Im saying is breed a super pastel to a cinnamon and a black pastel and the offspring will be different! :eek:

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

So you are saying that cinnamon x cinnamon, black pastel x black pastel, and black pastel x cinnamon produce three different types of homozygous animals?

-adam

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

What Im saying is breed a super pastel to a cinnamon and a black pastel and the offspring will be different! :eek:

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Be different or look different?

-adam

Adam I admit that the genetics are very close, kinda like cousins.


They will look different; Silver Streak out of the Blacks and a Silver Bullet out of the cinnamons. :)

Thats my take on it anyway. :)

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Be different or look different?

-adam

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

Adam I admit that the genetics are very close, kinda like cousins.


They will look different; Silver Streak out of the Blacks and a Silver Bullet out of the cinnamons. :)

Thats my take on it anyway. :)

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In Tracy Barkers book, she describes black pastels (aka labyrinths) and cinnamons as seperate "lineages" of the same mutation just as blonde pastels, lemon pastels, etc are seperate "lineages" of the pastel jungle mutation ... would you agree with Tracy or do you have a different outlook based on your experience working with these animals?

-adam

I agree with this statement, but honestly have little experience with these. the next couple years will shed some more light on these 2 morphs for me! :)

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

In Tracy Barkers book, she describes black pastels (aka labyrinths) and cinnamons as seperate "lineages" of the same mutation just as blonde pastels, lemon pastels, etc are seperate "lineages" of the pastel jungle mutation ... would you agree with Tracy or do you have a different outlook based on your experience working with these animals?

-adam

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

Adam I admit that the genetics are very close, kinda like cousins.


They will look different; Silver Streak out of the Blacks and a Silver Bullet out of the cinnamons. :)

Thats my take on it anyway. :)

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I'm looking in the Complete Ball Python by Kevin McCurley and he states a Super cinny super pastel AKA silver bullet and super cinny pastel jungle AKA silver streak. page 168

Tracy Barkers book says Black pastel x pastel is a pewter and cross that pewter with a pastel makes a silver streak. page 57

On page 58 under cinamon it states a pastel X cinamon is a pewter and a pastel-super cinamon is a silver streak.

Are we confused yet? Anyway they are all beautiful snakes and dammit I'm gonna make one! LOL

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

The Silver Streak is produced with a black pastel and can not be produced with a Cinnamon Pastel! :)

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Ed,
Actually that is not true. The Cinnamons produce Silver Streaks also. There was some confusion a few years ago because Mark Mandic claimed to produce what he thought was a Super Pastel/Cinnamon that looked completely different from a Super Pastel/Black Pastel but he was proven wrong. Later that year both he and Greg Graziani produced a real one. :sunny:

Here is a picture of four of them. From top left corner going counter clockwise you have the Pastel Jungle, The Cinnamon, The Pewter, and then in the top right hand corner the Silver Streak. I produced the first three and Greg Graziani produced the Silver Streak. I added that picture to mine.

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images...br06_4past.jpg

Albey :)