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It's ok.. I understand what you mean.. and I hate it when people want us to put nail polish on the dogs.. it's SUCH a pain.
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Originally Posted by Mendel's Balls
When I worked in a lab we knew exactly we are mice and rats came from......T
There is a ton of oversight for animal research.
Could someone forge paperwork? Possibly but unlikely....and even if they did...they likely get caught eventually. University Labs, like the one I worked in, are under federal oversight which is very especially strict in regards to this aspect of animal husbandry.
The big name suppliers are the only ones a University would ever buy from......and these suppliers are not going to lie about their source of animals.
Most researchers want animals with a known and controlled genetic pedigrees and medical histories. That way they can eliminate extraneous variables.
What paper or news channel was this story on? If you can provide a link to the news story I'd appreciate it....you can share it here or pm it to me if you want.
The documentary was called "Dealing Dogs" and aired on HBO. I watched it and the footage was grimly depressing and quite plausible.
http://www.hbo.com/docs/programs/dealingdogs/index.html
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Oh yeah, I saw that too. That's not what I was refering to, but yes, simular situation. The case I was thinking of I read it in the paper a few years ago.
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Glad you remembered that, I watched that documentary just last year - it was heartbreaking how these animals were treated, and purchased at flea markets for this purpose.
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Why was the "both" option added?
If Animal Welfare means that it is necessary to treat animals humanely while keeping them as pets or using them for testing, and Animal Rights means applying the same rights to animals that humans have, then it is illogical to support both at the same time.
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I'll play "devils's advocate" for a moment. When we speak of animal welfare, what species does that encompass? As an example, the family dog is ill and requires vet care/treatment. What do you do? Now,you're kid has begged for a corn snake and you have given in. The snake gets sick, what do you do?
Craig
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Originally Posted by CraigC
I'll play "devils's advocate" for a moment. When we speak of animal welfare, what species does that encompass? As an example, the family dog is ill and requires vet care/treatment. What do you do? Now,you're kid has begged for a corn snake and you have given in. The snake gets sick, what do you do?
Craig
take them both to the vet
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I support animal welfare and rights. I believe that animals should be given a comfortable life as long as they are being over seen by people. I think that even livestock should be given every effort to keep them healthy and happy (you are what you eat). However I am also a hunter and fisherman. I do not hunt for trophys and I catch and release. If I take a deer, elk, hog ect it for the meat not the rack. When I fish I either throw it back or eat it. I enjoy all of Gods creatures.
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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog
I support animal welfare and rights. I believe that animals should be given a comfortable life as long as they are being over seen by people. I think that even livestock should be given every effort to keep them healthy and happy (you are what you eat). However I am also a hunter and fisherman. I do not hunt for trophys and I catch and release. If I take a deer, elk, hog ect it for the meat not the rack. When I fish I either throw it back or eat it. I enjoy all of Gods creatures.
So would you hunt people for meat? Lol...obviously not, but the point is, Animal Welfare means you hunt and fish and keep livestock with respect for them, while animal rights mean you treat them the same as you would another human being. It really doesn't make any sense to say you are for both, by my logic at least.
