Gecko Keepers Beware?

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

MKRs has begun something that will cause alot of problems in the reptile hobby.....they have become the "puppy mill" of the reptile industry....selling animals like they are items and not living creatures...and don't think for a second that it is anything other than a way to make money......i never thought I would see the day when someone takes the same approach to selling a snake as they would to sell a used car :(

The sad thing is that newer people to the reptile business do not see them as bad guys because they are making expensive animals available at lower costs. The new people will find out eventually that this is not good for the hobby.....and hopefully the hobby does not get hurt too bad before they do.

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This is my opinion also :(

I told a guy at a reptile show yesterday I was happy to see a $4,000 price tag on a pied. Pieds are my first breeding project. Yes, I would love to see some money come back. I would love to see the prices stay there for a while....but guys who are out to "get you the best deal" make me wonder if i should reconsider. I think I can see through this mess and keep pudging forward.

I want to have fun with this :)

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

I want to have fun with this :)

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That's what it all comes down to, I think, in the end. If you paid 10 million dollars for a spider and had fun breeding it, that's what matters.

If you paid 5 bucks for a spider and had fun breeding it, thats what matters.

I think people get caught up in the money so much they forget about the snakes.

yeah but the fact of the matter is if you have thousands invested in snakes and are not making money because of bullies, you must seek other alternatives. Sometimes that means selling your entire stock to pay bills.

I think its funny that it is said that selling an animal at a LOWER price will hurt the HOBBY. Think about that...any hobby at all if something costs less and you get the same thing...how does that hurt the HOBBY. The only thing I see hurting is the BUSINESS side of reptiles...NOT the HOBBY. If the animals are crap or being mistreated, malnurished, etc sure that could hurt the hobby but then most likely the animals wouldn't be selling

I am no way involved in this mess nor will I even read the BOI to form an oppinion. However I have a hard time putting myself in some of these positions: So next year I might have some hypo ball pythons I want to sell. I go to a couple shows and post some online adds and my price is the same or average as anyone else. My snakes aren't selling...why? Well who heck is "Warren Reptiles" no one's ever heard of them, no real reputation or familiar name there. So I lower my prices...OH NO! have I destroyed the ball python hobby!? NO. Have I possibly taken customers away from the big names and drawn some attention to myself...possibly. This is how BUSINESS works...not HOBBIES.

I really hate the fact that when an individual *gasp* names their own price on animals they "produced" that someone else has the gul to put them down. If there other surcumstances surounding it that's another thing but in general...everyone has to start somewhere and usually its with lower prices.

I hear ya man and it makes sence. Do you feel that ball pythons morphs will be another color selection at Petco? ie. an albino for $40?

I do not feel that way. but then again, i'm a n00b to the business of ball pythons.

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

I hear ya man and it makes sence. Do you feel that ball pythons morphs will be another color selection at Petco? ie. an albino for $40?

I do not feel that way. but then again, i'm a n00b to the business of ball pythons.

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Don't let people scare you. If you have a smart business plan and a love for the animals, you can have some fun and make some extra cash. Will you become a millionaire? Probably not. But very few will. However, you might make enough to take a couple vacations every year and maybe get that car you want someday. Let the Chicken Littles squawk about the sky falling and keep your focus on what YOU want to get out of it.

Im pretty sure im aloud to post this......this is a forum that they are always on.....and this is there program called MK T.V.!!


Watch it..listen..it cleared alot of things up for me. I know the real reason for selling the snakes so low..I understand there intentions...but I still dont like it.

If its not aloud please remove it !!

Link removed. Violates ToS

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I think its funny that it is said that selling an animal at a LOWER price will hurt the HOBBY. Think about that...any hobby at all if something costs less and you get the same thing...how does that hurt the HOBBY. The only thing I see hurting is the BUSINESS side of reptiles...NOT the HOBBY. If the animals are crap or being mistreated, malnurished, etc sure that could hurt the hobby but then most likely the animals wouldn't be selling

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Amen, I wonder exactly how many people who come on here get there first BP, like it and then plan to get a morph and breed actually go through with it and breed that morph regularly every year for 3 or more years. Not to bring anyone else into this but Garrick Demeyer set his prices lower than the market and I saw very few people complain. Is he bringing down the "Hobby" also. Just to put this into perspective we are talking about snakes not houses, clothing, or food. Keeping them is a luxary that we are lucky enough to have. The next time someone complains about the market and they just bought a spider or mojave, think how many people the money from that one snake could of helped.

what a terrible video.