Mojave prices

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Originally Posted by sho220

First, I doubt he sold out of all his animals. Second, I'll bet he has no problem finding customers. Third, this one incident involving this one breeder has, much like most of your posts on this subject, been greatly exaggerated, over-dramatized, and blown out of proportion.

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Yes, well your continual negativity on people who do invest money on higher end morphs really gets my goat so dont throw rocks in glass houses because you too have made some grave blanket statements.
HOWEVER. no- of course he didnt sell all of his stock. did i say that? no. you're pulling things out of the air on my posts- i'm assuming, because you disagree with me and that's it. Now, who here with a head and a plan for the future will buy from MKR with all the doubts about 'what if they do it to another morph'? Is it a good idea, No, and I'm sure most people- especially people on fauna will NOT buy from him. Has this helped his business? No. No one can point to him as an example and say "He had a great idea" Yeah, for someone who wanted to piss off a lot of people and ruin his good name. So, quite frankly, if you want to blow something out of porportion just keep goading me, i'm not as stupid as you'd like to think.
Just remember, we have two different views of this hobby- you as someone who just wants morphs, and me as someone who wants to be a potential breeder.

I don't think this has hurt MKR's business personally. It may have hurt them with some breeders and other sellers and as far as they go. Yes, they may have lost some potential customers in that area. But, lets face it, for every 1 they lose because of the lower prices, they gain 10 because of the lower price.

With that said, there will always be buyers looking to save a buck or a couple hundred or a couple thousand. As long as they can get their hands quality snakes, are able to reproduce them, service their customers and deliver, they will sell.

Either at $10,000 or $5000 or $1000, they will sell.

I'm sure RD, Kevin, PK and countless other breeders won't be buying from MKR anytime soon, but there will be 100's of newbies looking for the low $$$ that will.

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Originally Posted by sho220

First, I doubt he sold out of all his animals. Second, I'll bet he has no problem finding customers. Third, this one incident involving this one breeder has, much like most of your posts on this subject, been greatly exaggerated, over-dramatized, and blown out of proportion.

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You are right he didn't sell all his stock, just the males from this years breedings. But, this is not the first incident MKR has been involved in. Do you know how he got his first morphs? He told all the big breeders he was buying expensive pets and wasn't going to breed. Nothing I have seen posted about MKR has been dramatized. His motto from day one was "we sell for less", sounds like Wal-mart. He also brags constantly about how much money he makes. I seen an email he sent to a friend of mine that stated he has made over $400,000 dollars in the last 8 weeks and is well on his way to make a million dollars this year. He is out purely for the money without any regard for anything else to do with this business. He will never see a dime of my money!!! One of his other mottos is "hit the gas", he plans on breeding so many morphs that he will control the cost of whatever he produces. I am afraid to purchase any morph he owns at this point, what will be the next morph he plunges in price (clown maybe). Who knows?!?!?!?

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Originally Posted by shhhli

HOWEVER. no- of course he didnt sell all of his stock. did i say that? no.

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"If you consider it good practice to under cut and sell out all of your animals for less than what they're worth"


What am I missing here??? And I'm not negative on all those who invested in ball's...just those who continue to cry about this...

Go back and read some of Daniel1983's posts...he gave some good advise...

such as...

"Prices will go down on the 'older' and 'easy to produce' stuff.....thats what happens when there are so many options out there. The future of ball pythons is combinations"

But then again, you probably already know this...

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Originally Posted by sho220

"If you consider it good practice to under cut and sell out all of your animals for less than what they're worth"


What am I missing here??? And I'm not negative on all those who invested in ball's...just those who continue to cry about this...

Go back and read some of Daniel1983's posts...he gave some good advise...

such as...

"Prices will go down on the 'older' and 'easy to produce' stuff.....thats what happens when there are so many options out there. The future of ball pythons is combinations"

But then again, you probably already know this...

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Since we were referring to Mojaves, which, is the name of this post- it should have been inferred. Or can you do that? Not to be rude, but you do have a habit of seeing what i post in your own light and not how its intended.
And YES! Oh wow! I DID know that. but, of course, you seem to be saying in your post (as i am inferring) that his drastic cut in mojave and platinum prices is in corolation(sp) as to what Daniel1983 is talking about. And I've read daniel's stuff for as long as I've been here. I dont see him agreeing with what MKR did.

If you'd like to fuss more, please do so- i dont really care. I just saw what you posted in reply to:
Why are low prices so bad though? If we buy from reputable breeders selling them at low prices, it would be a good thing
And since I didn't like the tone of your post because you had to snide that "The price drops everyone is flipping out about are only going to hurt those who were so naive they thought they could get rich doing this...Reality has a knack for *&#$% slapping the clueless... SO i replied with my response explaining (and using examples!) as to why to some it would be a bad idea. But of course, i just over dramatized and exaggerated. I mean. Really. I did. Yeah.
OH! and this reminds me- where in that post did i mention MKR? I used a "worst case scenario" example. Yes. Ironic how you thought i was talking about him, huh? (And just fyi, what BPkid posted and you had responded to was the VERY first message in this thread i saw- and i have yet to go back. I in all honesty was answering a question in a different tone than what you had posted and i read. TALK ABOUT MAKING ASSUMPTIONS!)

Ooh- and ssscales, I ment to note that i do agree with what you said and you know, for the people that don't do research and screw up and buy from him.. well. good luck to him..

I just have this problem guys, i dont know why but when i think of business i generally think of how i would do things and i have this CRAZY habit of mixing ethics and morals with business. Its a habit. Sorry. So if you see me talking about business, just know i mean the peachy-keen kind where I dont screw people over for a buck. That's what i consider good business in the most optimal condition.
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WOW....don't bring me into this spat ;)

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

WOW....don't bring me into this spat ;)

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I would never! I srsly tried to compliment you lol.

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Originally Posted by shhhli

Ooh- and ssscales, I meant to note that i do agree with what you said and you know, for the people that don't do research and screw up and buy from him.. well. good luck to him..

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I hear you, the thing is what MKR did is nothing new. Prices have gone from $5000 to $4000 to $3000 to $2000 and down to $1500 in less than a year without MKR and before MKR took it down to $800.

It would be one thing if they sold sick snakes, or did not deliver or misrepresented their snakes, or lacked in customer service, but they made a decision to lower their prices and cut their profits. Would I have done it like this...Probably Not!

I would have priced them at a fare market value and what I felt they were worth at the time (possibly $1250-$1500)! I might be open to negotiations in private, but if they did not move at that price, I would prefer to pull them from the classifieds and grow them! Six months later, market them differently and put them up for sale at about the same price! If they still did not sell, I would take them off again and grow them some more! I would place them back up next year as yearlings at the same price or more, if possible.

And if they still did not sell by breeding age/weight....Breed them and produce some more Mojaves and maybe some cool white snakes! Price them accordingly, possibly wholesale a few Mojaves, if needed to unload a few.

The problem is, some of these prices have dropped so fast and so much that it's difficult to hold a set price at any level. In the years past you would shelf a snake and in a years time it was worth a little to considerably more money than priced as a neo!

In this crazy environment, you could shelf a morph and in a year that morph may have lost 50%-90%...that's unexplainable! Is anyone today getting $5000 for an 06 Mojave? What about $5000 for an 05 Mojave?

Competition in price has always existed, but this has taken it to a whole new low..No pun intended!

I guess another issues is, MKR produced how many, 50 Mojaves! I would not produce 50 Mojaves unless I was somewhat certain I could move them without dumping. Unless I already calculated this and had 1-2-3 wholesalers ready to scoop up the 50 X $800!

Who knows what MKR was thinking, but I would not label them or anyone bad guys because they sell for less. There are a lot worse things sellers can do besides sell for less! Just ask anyone who bought from TSE..

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

WOW....don't bring me into this spat ;)

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Chicken! ;)