Nim the Bredli

OK, so it isn't that the PAM is doing nothing. I wonder if they're breeding outside the tub -- I mean, they apparently must be.

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Originally Posted by Malum Argenteum

OK, so it isn't that the PAM is doing nothing. I wonder if they're breeding outside the tub -- I mean, they apparently must be.

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I thought they might be breeding directly on Nim. I know they're supposed to lay most of their eggs not on the snake, but I have seen quite a few of what I assume are eggs on him. I haven't seen any mites near the top of or outside the enclosure, but it's possible. I'll hit the outside of the enclosure as well when I PAM this weekend.

I scheduled the vet appointment for Monday morning, so these mites don't have long anyways.

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Originally Posted by Gobuchul

I thought they might be breeding directly on Nim. I know they're supposed to lay most of their eggs not on the snake, but I have seen quite a few of what I assume are eggs on him. I haven't seen any mites near the top of or outside the enclosure, but it's possible. I'll hit the outside of the enclosure as well when I PAM this weekend.

I scheduled the vet appointment for Monday morning, so these mites don't have long anyways.

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I'd keep soaking him too, if I were you. That many mites don't take long to kill (or harm) a small snake...don't underestimate snake mites, please?

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Originally Posted by Bogertophis

I'd keep soaking him too, if I were you. That many mites don't take long to kill (or harm) a small snake...don't underestimate snake mites, please?

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Yeah, I'll keep the other treatments going.

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Originally Posted by Homebody

Do not use more PAM than the can instructs. I understand your frustration, but PAM is only safe when used as directed. Use it otherwise, and you risk nerve damage or death.

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I'm not recommending anything with this comment, but only pointing out some empirical findings. PAM has been tested at ten times recommended dosage, and found to be safe.

https://meridian.allenpress.com/jhms...ormulation-for

One way that permethrin can be dangerous is if it is not allowed to dry on the treated surface before reintroducing the animal (so, it is absolutely important to let it dry thoroughly, as the label states). Permethrin in solution is moderately dangerous; when it has dried on a surface it is quite immobile (this is why we can soak clothing in it safely):

http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/PermGen.html

Snakes don't take up permethrin through their skin well, even when it is in solution:

https://escholarship.org/uc/item/3850v3vg

Again, just pointing out facts here. :)

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Originally Posted by Malum Argenteum

I'm not recommending anything with this comment, but only pointing out some empirical findings. PAM has been tested at ten times recommended dosage, and found to be safe.

https://meridian.allenpress.com/jhms...ormulation-for

One way that permethrin can be dangerous is if it is not allowed to dry on the treated surface before reintroducing the animal (so, it is absolutely important to let it dry thoroughly, as the label states). Permethrin in solution is moderately dangerous; when it has dried on a surface it is quite immobile (this is why we can soak clothing in it safely):

http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/PermGen.html

Snakes don't take up permethrin through their skin well, even when it is in solution:

https://escholarship.org/uc/item/3850v3vg

Again, just pointing out facts here. :)

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I stand corrected. Thanks, Malum.

Vet visit went well. Nim was surprisingly calm throughout, and they did prepare a nexgard solution. I'm not 100% confident in their weighing of him, so I'll double check that before treating (it came in lower than I expected at 0.28 lbs, but I haven't actually weighed Nim myself yet.) At least I know it's probably not an overestimate for the dosage. I fed Nim last friday, so I'll give him the nexgard rat in a few days.

I'd feel more confident overall if I had prepared the nexgard myself, but definitely less of a hassle to get the stuff this way. The vet also gave me ointment for his scar she thought might have been from a rat (which he arrived with, and which I suspect is a burn.) It seems already healed so I don't think that'll do anything, but I'll use it just in case. The vet said he looks healthy overall, but suggested I bring a stool sample in case the mites are indicative of other husbandry issues (worms.) I have no confidence in Nim's seller, so I'll probably do that.

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Originally Posted by Gobuchul

I'd feel more confident overall if I had prepared the nexgard myself, but definitely less of a hassle to get the stuff this way. The vet also gave me ointment for his scar she thought might have been from a rat (which he arrived with, and which I suspect is a burn.) It seems already healed so I don't think that'll do anything, but I'll use it just in case. The vet said he looks healthy overall, but suggested I bring a stool sample in case the mites are indicative of other husbandry issues (worms.) I have no confidence in Nim's seller, so I'll probably do that.

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Poor Nim. Fortunately, she's got you caring for her now.

Nim's actual weight is 291 grams, which is way more believable than 127 grams (.28 lbs.) I should have noticed at the vet, but didn't do the unit conversion. I'm going to adjust accordingly and give him just under 2.3x the prescribed dose.

I should've also asked whether they mixed it at 2.5mg/kg or 2mg/kg.

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Originally Posted by Gobuchul

Nim's actual weight is 291 grams, which is way more believable than 127 grams (.28 lbs.) I should have noticed at the vet, but didn't do the unit conversion. I'm going to adjust accordingly and give him just under 2.3x the prescribed dose.

I should've also asked whether they mixed it at 2.5mg/kg or 2mg/kg.

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Nothing wrong with your math, but you should still run it by your vet first.