Pic of my ball pythons

Yes I have. Anyother demeaning questions?

Why do people consider passonate advice as an attack? Most likely because the flaw with internet communication is that 'tone' and 'emotion' are kinda left out and all we see are words. Please quote the post that was an attack and it will be delt with.

I am staying out of this one to moderate. Ashley, please do not feel attacked :) Everyone is here to help I promise. If you feel otherwise let me know.

EVERYONE CALM IT DOWN OR THE THREAD WILL BE LOCKED. Please ;)

I think it's ok to put the same BREED in the same tank. While he had three different breeds in the one tank.
It's completely different form what I'm doing...k thanks

I just felt bad for her because someone decieved her and sold her a pair of normal ball pythons under the pretext of one being a pastel, thats all. She seemed to think that I was bashing her....

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But with the "experienceed" keepers out there who have said its' ok to keep them together I think they'll be fine...Get that?

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I think "experienced keepers" can be a loaded term. I once met a 15 year old that owned a ball python for 2 weeks that felt he was the next Steve Irwin.

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Originally Posted by kaosu_jouen

I THINK!! MY OWN OPINION.

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And if it was your OPINION that your ball pythons should eat carrots, I'd try and talk you out of that one too. Just because you've formed an opinion based on what other people with varying levels of experience have told you or what you've read from outdated care sheets on the internet doesn't mean that is what is best for your animals. No one here is telling you this stuff because they feel like messing with you, they are only trying to help.

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Which isn't worth much on here it seem unless I am a "experienced" breeder or keeper.

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It's sad that you don't take what is being said here as the help that it is. Being open to new ideas and views can only help your snakes.

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Sure I'm no Einstin about the creatures, but I know enough and will continue to learn.

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What makes you think that you know "enough"? These are animals that can live for 30 years, keeping them alive for a couple of weeks is trivial compared to providing the conditions necessary to ensure their long term health and survival.

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You've ALL MADE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR that housing them to gether is a VERY BAD THING. But I have yet to have an issue with it

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Of course not, it's only been a couple of weeks ... that timeframe is NOTHING to a ball python ... stress is something that will build up over time ... months ... years ... your snakes will suffer from your housing choice.

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...as well as my friend form a reptile rescue unit here who has several different speices for several years, a few he keeps in housing of more then one such as his ball pythons.

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If your friend advocates housing multiple reptiles in the same enclosure than I would have a problem with that advice. Some pet stores and rescues are often crunched for space and often housing multiple in the same enclosure for that reason. It doesn't make it right.

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My best friend who has two balls of her own for one year now and has yet for any problems.

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How do you know? The snakes could be under weight for their age, lethargic, be suffering the early signs of a respiratory infection ... these are all things that a new snake owner would never be able to identify. Being new to the hobby and having lost one snake already, are you really the best person to judge whether or not a snake is "fine"?

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A local breeder who keeps a few of her younger ones together and has for the past decade....

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Everyone does things different ... I once saw a dog trainer kick his dog out of anger, does that mean I'm going to kick mine? ... NO WAY ... How many is "a few"? Does she keep all of her ball pythons in the same cage? Wonder why not ... hmmmm.

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HUmmmm MAYBE there is some chance that you're conclusions and the conclusions of all the "experienced, proffessional" keepers out there could not apply to the whole phylum genus of the ball python.

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Python regius is the genus and species for the snake commonly known as the "ball python" or the "royal python" ... but I digress .... Hummmm MAYBE, "experienced, professional" breeders that are keeping thousands of ball pythons in captive collections and making hundreds of thousands of dollars every year reproducing these animals know something that a 19 year old with a couple of snakes in a glass tank does not? Just maybe.

-adam

We are not bashing you. If I sounded harsh in my posts, I apologize. We only care about the well being of your snakes and we can get quite passionate on the subject. Once again my apologies for sounding harsh :hug:

I consider it an attack when people post information starting like:

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Originally Posted by ladywhipple02

No offense or anything, but how would you like being squeezed into one room with two other people, having to share the same bed with them, the same bath, everything, and never being able to get out or leave?

Call it common courtesy, then, to get them their own cages.

If you aren't going to listen, I'm going to stop talking. Good luck in all your future endeavors.

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is posted in a demeaning way.

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Originally Posted by ddbjdealer

No one is flaming you, just trying to prevent an accident and do what's best for the animals involved.

(DISCLAIMER: I'm about to use someone else's saying here, just in a different way... no offense implied)

Hey Ashley... I have a German Shepherd Dog. She's about 10 months old, and once a day, I let her have a 1/2 cup of water, and I feed her two cups of Science Diet every other day. Sure, she's a little slim, but she doesn't need all kinds of muscles and fat build up on her because she spends about 20 to 22 hours a day locked up in her crate, or chained up outside. She seems really happy and she gets really excited when I let her out of her crate or when someone winds up petting her. We try to walk her at least once a month or so, whether she needs it or not. I figure, Science Diet is a great food that vets recommend, so I must be doing everything right!

Oh, I forgot to mention that she has tics covering her from snout to tail, but she seems to get along with them just fine. She even plays with them every once in a while. Scratching them off.... who would ever think that, she's just petting them!!

(Other DISCLAIMER: Of course I would never do this to any living animal, and if I ever asked for anyone's advice, or had it volunteered to me, I would always take it, even if I didn't agree with it, and not argue with the new "friends" I was trying to make by saying "This is what I've always done, and I'm gonna keep on doin it, so don't try to stop me!")

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Didn't have to be posted, I'm not keeping them in a enclosure jstu big enough to house their body

I thought I'd like this site, but there's a good way to give info and opinions then there are childish ways such as the ones above...

I mean one guy even wanted to start somethine with ANOTHER POSTER!

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Ball pythons don't "play together". Sorry about that.

-adam

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If people can't share their knowledge in a positive mannor. I doubt this forum is as "experienced" as they say.

I actually have no problem with you're comments iceman25. You give them with a strong sence of value and knowledge, but in a nice way. Much appreciated

Thanks so much

Ashley

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I mean one guy even wanted to start somethine with ANOTHER POSTER!

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How exactly is sharing what I know "starting something"?

The purpose of internet forums is communication ... that's what we do here ... sometimes you might like what is posted and something you might not ... but the cool thing about it is that everyone gets to say what's on their brain.

Just because you don't like hearing the thoughts that your comments provoked in other peoples brains doesn't mean that anyone is "starting" with you.

-adam

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I"ve looked aroudn the net and as well as asked other owners. I'm not one to jump into getting a snake or two in this situation and put them all together with out cause. I heard some good things and bad things.

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Let's try this from another direction ...

Since you don't agree with what everyone here has posted and you have your own opinions, what are the benefits of keeping multiple species in the same enclosure as you understand them?

Maybe that will help everyone understand better?

-adam