Guess this morph!

congratz! that's a good looking animal. whatchu gonna name the morph?

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Originally Posted by JodanOrNoDan

This is getting interesting. Once you get beyond three genes, many of the combos end up with almost exactly the same result. This is why I am very skeptical about the claims of a certain large breeder. Unless you are dealing with Supers and in some cases ALS breeding stock you cannot be 100% on what is in it.

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i agree w/ this.

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Originally Posted by BPGator

Pastel Leopard Vanilla Enchi

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that was gonna be my first guess! ;)

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Originally Posted by highqualityballz

Yes sir. Pastel enchi vanilla leopard is correct. Someone said vanilla but didn’t add it to the other genes. Tbh I didn’t think you guys would’ve guessed it that quick. I thought the vanilla would throw everyone off, which it seemed to for some lol.

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i think everyone did a pretty good job based off one pix IMO.


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Originally Posted by BPGator

The hints helped. The Pastel Enchi and Leopard can be seen but the last gene is hidden to me. I assume you know it’s there from the pairing or by comparing to clutch mates.

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Originally Posted by highqualityballz

Yes the pairing and opinions from some bigger breeders. The pattern is way cleaner and lighter than any pastel enchi Leo I’ve ever seen.

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could u post the whole clutch? i would love to see some of the comparisons.

So how is the determination being made that the animal is vanilla and not fire?

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Originally Posted by JodanOrNoDan

So how is the determination being made that the animal is vanilla and not fire?

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I sent the photo to a few couple big breeders and they all seem to think vanilla.

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Originally Posted by highqualityballz

I sent the photo to a few couple big breeders and they all seem to think vanilla.

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Did they tell you why? I hope you do not think I am giving you a hard time. I am really interested in how they are arriving at that or are they just guessing. I have a nightmare breeding myself this year. I normally avoid these type of breedings because I want to be really sure of what comes out, however the gravel gene is in play so I did a Pastel/Spark/YB x Highway. In theory I could tell them apart but some of the possible combos are very, very close.

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Originally Posted by JodanOrNoDan

Did they tell you why? I hope you do not think I am giving you a hard time. I am really interested in how they are arriving at that or are they just guessing. I have a nightmare breeding myself this year. I normally avoid these type of breedings because I want to be really sure of what comes out, however the gravel gene is in play so I did a Pastel/Spark/YB x Highway. In theory I could tell them apart but some of the possible combos are very, very close.

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Yeah I agree. Vanilla and fire in one clutch was definitely risky. I’m still asking around and getting more opinions. Do you definitely see vanilla or fire? I definitely see more than pastel enchi and leopard.

Little behind the ball. LOL. with the guessing. LOL

Here’s another look when it was smaller. Better lighting https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...5aa905285c.png


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Originally Posted by highqualityballz

Yeah I agree. Vanilla and fire in one clutch was definitely risky. I’m still asking around and getting more opinions. Do you definitely see vanilla or fire? I definitely see more than pastel enchi and leopard.

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I am going to say I am not qualified to make the determination. I don't work with the gene, and from the pictures I have seen they look pretty much the same to me until a super or als is produced. That said when I started I couldn't tell a phantom from a mojave now they are night and day, so these guys could be seeing things that I cannot yet.

I primarily work with BEL complex, enchi and lavender. This is my first year doing YB complex. Next will be my first with fire. So I am willing to play the the guessing game, but I cannot give you a definitive on anything other than what I work with and sometimes even those make me wonder with certain combos. I have a few "mystery" snakes myself.

I would guess that they are right, vanilla because the vanilla super is not white and the fire is so i am assuming that vanilla is going to be darker than fire. But... I am not sure how much the leopard darkened things up.

Rechecked and most agree vanilla is present. Obviously can’t be 100% but more than likely has the vanilla gene.

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Originally Posted by highqualityballz

Rechecked and most agree vanilla is present. Obviously can’t be 100% but more than likely has the vanilla gene.

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One parent was Vanilla Scream so it has to have either Fire or Vanilla in it. I’d vote Vanilla too


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