Ball Python Pricing for non breeders

I think you need to go back to school for basic economics.
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Originally Posted by Godzilla78

I think you need to go back to school for basic economics.
Lol

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oh snap! lol!

YEA.... No.

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Originally Posted by AbsoluteApril

I have 'pet only' snakes, some a breeder friend gave to me because of a defect and my promise not to breed (they have enough trust in me) but most I paid regular price for.

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April brings up a good point. Once you establish a good reputation and become known to breeders, you can often get critters with a kink or some other defect that makes them unsuitable for breeding for a pittance, and they can survive perfectly well as pets.

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Originally Posted by AbsoluteApril

I have 'pet only' snakes, some a breeder friend gave to me because of a defect and my promise not to breed (they have enough trust in me) but most I paid regular price for.

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Originally Posted by bcr229

April brings up a good point. Once you establish a good reputation and become known to breeders, you can often get critters with a kink or some other defect that makes them unsuitable for breeding for a pittance, and they can survive perfectly well as pets.

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please pass along to all your breeder friends that i will take in and care for all gimped Panda's and Urban Camo's.

You might also want to take a look at Ball Pythons for sale on Craigslist.

Many people start hobbies without realizing the ongoing investment, both time and money, that is required. Where I live there are always people on Craigslist looking to rehome their BPs.

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Originally Posted by larryd23

You might also want to take a look at Ball Pythons for sale on Craigslist.

Many people start hobbies without realizing the ongoing investment, both time and money, that is required. Where I live there are always people on Craigslist looking to rehome their BPs.

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These can be a gamble though, as many didn't have correct husbandry. You also find people who think that their normal male is worth $100 because that's what they paid for it at the big box pet store.

Yeah, hey I literally read these 4 pages to tell you that
on page 1, I strongly strongly feel like you're definitely
an owner of a spotnose! That's a pretty damn amazing
deal considering the pet store here about 3-4 years ago
tried to sell me a normal with a recessive shed stuck on
it as a "Spotnose het Scaleless"......I didn't even know
genetics like I do now, completely ignorant...but when
someone is trying to tell me they have a 50k morph (at
the time) I am not going to believe them. This world....

And with that said, network heavily with herpetologists
and avoid pet stores at all costs; get supplies from them
if you don't use the internet and sell your non-holdback
offspring to them wholesale. You got lucky with a store.

Pertaining to the paid investment for a pet rock/inactive
pet comment, do more research and stay away from this
hobby until you're absolutely sure about it. Listen, I used
to have a lot of crazy ball pythons, a hypo group with my
amazing Super Pastel Huffman het Hypo from Ben Renick
himself, a horde of het Pied combo females ready for nice
stud, my own african dinkers; & my dream of hypo clown.
I had a very nice fire dbl het hypo clown waiting for those
girls..oh man..my shattered dreams, I lost it all in October.

Every single day since then it's nearly all I ever think about.
Being focused on current and new hobbies has helped and
been absolutely essential, and discovering the world of boa
constrictors has a life saver. I have never had another snake
besides a ball python before, so wow, I was surprised in lots
of ways with boas. It's such a lividly refreshing world to be.

The ease of feeding....the lack of stress.......the inquisitive
nature, and bold personality of boas was so refreshing, it's
a bit to take in. You can actually handle them and they aren't
all tight and or pissed off about it, they don't come in nearly
as many paint-jobs as ball pythons do, but the variety is very
nice and you notice a lot of similar genetics at play. I don't
know a lot about boa genetics at all, but I've been obsessed
with ball python genetics for about 5 years now, and WOW
it's like I am falling in love all over again when I was starting
to get bored with the current spread of known ball genes...
there's new stuff often I know, but I'm BROWSING DAILY
soaking it all up, so yeah I can get bored and burnt out fast.

But with boas, it's like an entirely new experience and learning
about them everyday now is such a pleasure, it's why I'm on
BP-net actually, to learn more about all of the boa genetics...

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Okay now with all of this said, I still love ball pythons a ton
and I will always have my hypo clown dinker dreams....but
I just can't pursue that dream until a handful of years now
that I was lividly set back...THE WAY THAT I SEE ROYAL
PYTHONS IS they're literally a pet rock, like everyone wants
to joke about in the reptile community; but I see it in the way
jewelers make a lot of money. They're absolutely beautiful
and breathtaking, but I don't feel like pulling them out and
handling them, letting them lay on me as I watch television,
handling them for love and affection....yeah..your ball python
doesn't want any of that!! Never ever!! Go get a boa if you're
just wanting to spoon and cuddle your pet snake!! Ball pythons
are beautiful solitary creatures that live out hidden nomadic
lives - they camp in rodent dens and termite mounds for weeks
at a time if need be, silently, waiting for something to walk by.
It strikes, it poops, it sheds; it then finally goes to the next den.

This is why the ball python does not mind being kept in a tub,
and why it stays in it's hide mostly - in it's brain it's waiting for
that meal in living bio-trap mode, in my opinion for the record.

TL;DR - ball pythons are stunning pet rocks, literal living gems,
people are frantic and passionate over breeding them for their
colors and patterns - not for their handling and or entertainment
purposes......boa constrictors on the other hand are more like
a dog and want to be handled and want to be out with humans.

Breed the look noodles for looking and the hold noodles for holding IMO

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Originally Posted by bigbellyboa

Yeah, hey I literally read these 4 pages to tell you that
on page 1, I strongly strongly feel like you're definitely
an owner of a spotnose! That's a pretty damn amazing
deal considering the pet store here about 3-4 years ago
tried to sell me a normal with a recessive shed stuck on
it as a "Spotnose het Scaleless"......I didn't even know
genetics like I do now, completely ignorant...but when
someone is trying to tell me they have a 50k morph (at
the time) I am not going to believe them. This world....

And with that said, network heavily with herpetologists
and avoid pet stores at all costs; get supplies from them
if you don't use the internet and sell your non-holdback
offspring to them wholesale. You got lucky with a store.

Pertaining to the paid investment for a pet rock/inactive
pet comment, do more research and stay away from this
hobby until you're absolutely sure about it. Listen, I used
to have a lot of crazy ball pythons, a hypo group with my
amazing Super Pastel Huffman het Hypo from Ben Renick
himself, a horde of het Pied combo females ready for nice
stud, my own african dinkers; & my dream of hypo clown.
I had a very nice fire dbl het hypo clown waiting for those
girls..oh man..my shattered dreams, I lost it all in October.

Every single day since then it's nearly all I ever think about.
Being focused on current and new hobbies has helped and
been absolutely essential, and discovering the world of boa
constrictors has a life saver. I have never had another snake
besides a ball python before, so wow, I was surprised in lots
of ways with boas. It's such a lividly refreshing world to be.

The ease of feeding....the lack of stress.......the inquisitive
nature, and bold personality of boas was so refreshing, it's
a bit to take in. You can actually handle them and they aren't
all tight and or pissed off about it, they don't come in nearly
as many paint-jobs as ball pythons do, but the variety is very
nice and you notice a lot of similar genetics at play. I don't
know a lot about boa genetics at all, but I've been obsessed
with ball python genetics for about 5 years now, and WOW
it's like I am falling in love all over again when I was starting
to get bored with the current spread of known ball genes...
there's new stuff often I know, but I'm BROWSING DAILY
soaking it all up, so yeah I can get bored and burnt out fast.

But with boas, it's like an entirely new experience and learning
about them everyday now is such a pleasure, it's why I'm on
BP-net actually, to learn more about all of the boa genetics...

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Okay now with all of this said, I still love ball pythons a ton
and I will always have my hypo clown dinker dreams....but
I just can't pursue that dream until a handful of years now
that I was lividly set back...THE WAY THAT I SEE ROYAL
PYTHONS IS they're literally a pet rock, like everyone wants
to joke about in the reptile community; but I see it in the way
jewelers make a lot of money. They're absolutely beautiful
and breathtaking, but I don't feel like pulling them out and
handling them, letting them lay on me as I watch television,
handling them for love and affection....yeah..your ball python
doesn't want any of that!! Never ever!! Go get a boa if you're
just wanting to spoon and cuddle your pet snake!! Ball pythons
are beautiful solitary creatures that live out hidden nomadic
lives - they camp in rodent dens and termite mounds for weeks
at a time if need be, silently, waiting for something to walk by.
It strikes, it poops, it sheds; it then finally goes to the next den.

This is why the ball python does not mind being kept in a tub,
and why it stays in it's hide mostly - in it's brain it's waiting for
that meal in living bio-trap mode, in my opinion for the record.

TL;DR - ball pythons are stunning pet rocks, literal living gems,
people are frantic and passionate over breeding them for their
colors and patterns - not for their handling and or entertainment
purposes......boa constrictors on the other hand are more like
a dog and want to be handled and want to be out with humans.

Breed the look noodles for looking and the hold noodles for holding IMO

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this is an wonderful post of an epic wall of text. thank u for the TL; DR!!

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Originally Posted by larryd23

My daughter is very new to ball pythons, but in the past year she and I have learned quite a bit from this forum and my daughter has taught me quite a bit about genetics. Others will correct me if I'm wrong, but your desire for an Axanthic Pied illustrates one factor that affects pricing of Ball Pythons. That is the difference in pricing between BPs with recessive as opposed to dominant/co-dominant genes.

Axantic and Pied are both recessive genes, so in order to produce an Axanthic Pied you must breed a male with the Axanthic and Pied gene to a female with the Axanthic and Pied gene. If either the male or female is 100% Het Axanthic Pied, only 50% of the babies will be Axanthic Pied. If both the male or female are 100% Het Axanthic Pied, only 25% of the babies will be Axanthic Pied. And if both are 100% Het Axanthic and 100% Het Pied, only 6% of the babies will be Axanthic Pied.

So... you can see why a Het Axanthic BP would cost less than an Axanthic BP. One Axanthic gene vs. two Axanthic genes.

Just something to keep in mind as you're trying to make sense of BP pricing.

Hope you find what you're looking for... And check out Ultramel... they are my current favorite and there is a very pretty 2014 Ultramel on Morphmarket for $300 eating F/T rats...

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So.... I’m buying an Axanthic VPI het for Pied, what should my female be for the best odds at getting an axanthic pied? Should they be double het?


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