The controversial enclosure is finished

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Originally Posted by Dutti

I say loud and clear, i built my enclosure like this because i had more height than floor space to offer. If i had more floor space i would have done it differently.

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Originally Posted by Sunnieskys

So because YOU didn't have proper space for an animal you are neglecting it by having an enclosure you yourself has said is wrong from your statement above.

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I agree with Sunnieskys here, you couldn't swing an extra 19" of floor space? Is where you live really that cramped? I find that hard to believe, but like I said earlier, it seems like you really wish to either (1) prove some sort of point, or (2) find the prospect of changing the front doors on the enclosure too much of a pain. I.e. you already had the bare bones of this enclosure and were dead set on not changing it for whatever reason. It's actually almost comical how the dimensions are oriented, as you could have made it 2.62' long and 2' deep (same floor space) and I feel like even that would have been better from a thermal gradient / front door placement perspective. Plus, it would be much easier to reach into.

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Originally Posted by Sunnieskys

Ok, I'm going to ask you a question and I'm not being snarky. I want you to see this a different way.

If you lived in a apartment with a bedroom. Would you put a king bed in the bedroom to sleep or would you use Velcro and sleep against the wall? Would you live in housing where you had to climb one ladder to 4 levels or would you live in a smaller house with one level?

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While I like the sentiment, you can't really use this analogy. If the snake wanted to simply use the floor space, it could. His floor space, as I have noted before, is larger than comparable tubs widely used across their forum by breeders and keepers alike, yet they (more or less) escape criticism. If the snake wanted to sleep flat, it could do so, there is adequate space. Obviously I'd like to see more floor space, but I have to be fair. Many breeder tubs are only 6" tall, which is rather short, thus I could say something to the effect of: "would you like to be able to raise your head above a prone position at your leisure?" I am probably skirting anthropomorphism here, but the idea is there.

Also, in regards to your thermal gradient, you note that the "warm spot" is on the tiles, which look too me like they are in the front of the enclosure. If that is indeed the case, you should place them more to one side, so he has a warm spot towards the back of the enclosure. 2.62' deep is fairly deep and warmth towards the back of the enclosure would likely help with a feeling of security. If he is eating regularly though, it may be a non-issue.

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Originally Posted by Miranda2

I would consider adding two more shelves on the opposite side for a ladder effect, so if he should slip and fall could catch himself as well as adding more usable space.

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If you are going to insist on using this cage you should really do something like this. Add shelves and clutter, both on the ground and "in the air". The cage is too sparse for security and if you wanted to limit the potential danger of a fall, this would be how. If I were designing an enclosure like this for any species of reptile, I would have far more furniture that shown.

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Originally Posted by Zincubus

Thank you !
Very useful as I was struggling to find it .

I've also seen another detailed account from a Royal python trapper - just can't find that one ..


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You might like the following paper. It was a study conducted on the diets of wild ball pythons via fecal examination and forced regurgitation that found a very high proportion of birds vs mammals in the males' diets. It also noted the presence of squirrels in the diet. The study notes that the males were found climbing most often, but that diets high in arboreal-type prey doesn't necessitate that the predator be arboreal. Interesting paper - not a huge sample size, but most studies of these type aren't and it's not tiny - 38 males, 49 females.

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...3M9dHJ1ZUBAQDA=

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Originally Posted by Zincubus

Thank you !
Very useful as I was struggling to find it .

I've also seen another detailed account from a Royal python trapper - just can't find that one ..


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Is this the one in question?

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...apper-in-Ghana

One has to remember... Some wild animals struggle due to their wild habitat being destroyed. Taken over by humans. Towns, cities being built.

You now have whole packs of coyotes living in and around cities. Foxes and other wild animals, too. Out of necessity. Because their habitat keeps shrinking.

But would you call that their "natural habitat"? Or even, an ideal habitat?

Sure, Ball Pythons cover quite a range of different habitats. In the WILD they are most often found in burrows, termite mounds or tree hollows. Unless they are moving in order to find a new hiding place, a mate or food.

They seem to prefer savannah and flatlands.

If found in "garbage piles" that tells me that this has to be a strongly populated area (city, town) and no, there won't be termite mounds or wild habitat.

Perhaps it all depends on where trappers look for them.

The expedition that studied them for 3 month back in 1997, studied them in their wild habitat.


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Every one of his threads are exactly the same, yet they continue. I have tried ignore. Is there an ignore thread option? The amount of misinformation he spews is alarming.

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Originally Posted by Sunnieskys

Every one of his threads are exactly the same, yet they continue. I have tried ignore. Is there an ignore thread option? The amount of misinformation he spews is alarming.

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No but you can put a member on ignore which has been suggested multiple times in multiple threads.

Simply go to user CP and select Edit User List on your left

Honest question... How do we then remove seeing their titles show up and their quotes in people's replies? I thought ignore hid them entirely but the ignore I found when I added him on it still shows his post titles, quotes when people quote him and shows this which to me doesn't hide him very well.

I ask because he greatly upsets me seeing his posts but ignore does not seem to make him vanish from this forum like I had hoped. How do I ensure for example he never replies in one of my posts? I am not being a smartalex here, I really want to know now that you have brought this up numerous times. How do I completely ignore Dutti?

This is all ignore does it seems which doesn't hide him really. Is there another ignore option I am not seeing?

https://i.imgur.com/H3izCXX.jpg

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Originally Posted by Deborah

No but you can put a member on ignore which has been suggested multiple times in multiple threads.

Simply go to user CP and select Edit User List on your left

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I have them on ignore. But posted threads still show up. That's why I was asking if there is an ignore thread.

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Originally Posted by SDA

Honest question... How do we then remove seeing their titles show up and their quotes in people's replies? I thought ignore hid them entirely but the ignore I found when I added him on it still shows his post titles, quotes when people quote him and shows this which to me doesn't hide him very well.

I ask because he greatly upsets me seeing his posts but ignore does not seem to make him vanish from this forum like I had hoped. How do I ensure for example he never replies in one of my posts? I am not being a smartalex here, I really want to know now that you have brought this up numerous times. How do I completely ignore Dutti?

This is all ignore does it seems which doesn't hide him really. Is there another ignore option I am not seeing?

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...om/H3izCXX.jpg

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Exactly this. Thanks. This person causes more strife in this forum.

If you have any questions about ignoring any member you can ask the moderators in private messages, no need to stage a show here:" Hey people, i intend to ignore this particular person"..lol

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Originally Posted by Sunnieskys

I have them on ignore. But posted threads still show up. That's why I was asking if there is an ignore thread.

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Exactly this. Thanks. This person causes more strife in this forum.

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Not everything can disappear obviously if someone quotes someone else this will appear on the forum.

It's really simple and I will address this for the last time and again have the last word here since we are yet again going around in circle.

Put the person on ignore, and then use your will power to ignore quotes, it's that simple and that's what mature people do.

We expect people to act in a civil manner with one another and if you cannot, simply do not post or be ready for consequences if you do and give in into the drama. This is for EVERYONE.

I believe this one has ran it's course and answers were provided so that's all folks.