Rat scratched my snake's eye, please help!!!

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Originally Posted by cletus

I had no idea there was such a huge live vs f/t debate until I discovered this place.

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Only with people that have never done it.......

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Originally Posted by cletus

I had no idea there was such a huge live vs f/t debate until I discovered this place.

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I hope it isn't all deemed to be my fault as there are many others who feel the same as me . LIVE feeding is just something we don't talk about or even come across here in the UK tbh - as it's frowned upon and simply seen as not acceptable .

I have learnt my lesson now and don't try and force my opinion on others . That aspect aside , this is a marvellous snake forum and one of my favourites with some very knowledgable and helpful people .

You never stop learning after all !


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Originally Posted by Zincubus

I hope it isn't all deemed to be my fault as there are many others who feel the same as me . LIVE feeding is just something we don't talk about or even come across here in the UK tbh - as it's frowned upon and simply seen as not acceptable .

I have learnt my lesson now and don't try and force my opinion on others . That aspect aside , this is a marvellous snake forum and one of my favourites with some very knowledgable and helpful people .

You never stop learning after all !


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Nope. I don't judge. I was just making an observation. If I had the space to breed my own rodents I'd probably be feeding live as I have in the past. I don't, so f/t is convenient for me and my snakes don't mind. How you or anyone else does it really isn't my concern. To each his own I say.

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Originally Posted by Ratikal

Live vs frozen debate...
This is a matter of personal preference and convienence in my opinion! If people in the UK or Europe are against feeding "live" meals because of whatever reason, my only advice is, don't domesticate natural evolution of a super predator. Get a turtle or some fish...
Personally, how do you know your frozen feed is being processed under sanitary and healthy conditions? A diseased colony will freeze the same as healthy animals!
Yes, there are advantages but there are also disadvantages too...that can be said for both sides! In this case, the snake owner made the #1 mistake of leaving a live "feed" animal alone with his/her pet. Now you can see a major disadvantage to feeding live prey. The snake suffers the most. Since there has been no update, this poor animal is probably being neglected by not getting veterinary attention right away. I treat all my pets like children and would never let my pet go days with a popped eye ball, regardless of what instruction is given by under-educated online advice by other pet owners.
I personally feed "live" stunned rodents and I ALWAYS STAY IN ATTENDANCE UNTIL THE PREY IS INGESTED!!
I will be switching to frozen once I find a reputable supplier in my area that I can trust. Its more convenient and safer for my snakes. By feeding live, I can see whether my snakes are getting "healthy" prey as meals!

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Well we have made them pets,we have taken them from there habitat n then we put a live rat in when they r literally in a box so it's like saying a domesticated dog could survive outside,a domesticated snake can't neither cos we have tamed them!ive never heard of any horror story's of defrosted rats causing any problems tbh!anyway each to there own way!


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Actually a domesticated dog can survive being re-introduced to the wild. They will scavenge, breed, re-multiply and survive establishing new packs. A prime example of this are feral cats and feral hogs. Once considered domesticated but are re-evolutionized back to wild traits and habits!
I'm sure if you took a clutch of unhatched Ball Python eggs and replaced them in their correct habitat, a significant portion of the genetically dominant, i.e. "normals" would thrive. Where as, most of the beautiful morphs would be picked off by other predators due to their lack of physical camouflage. Definitely would be an interesting case study. I can say this from 3 years spent in Africa, 95% of all morphs found on the market for sale, are not found in the wild due to "survival of the fittest"!

Yea but there not in there habitat,there in a Viv with a live rat!n they can't get away from a rat unless we intervene!i think u r talking about stray dogs n they would survive on the edges of human rubbish but that's 1st gen,2nd gen from stray would b a feral dog,that may survive on live prey in the wild,as for cats n hogs I never said them,a domesticated dog would not survive in a proper wild environment,catching live prey!anyway I hope this guy takes his snake to the vets!that is wat this forum is about!


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Thats the point and dogs do acclimate back to the wild without human intervention. They will stay close to civilization because they are scavengers by nature, not predators like snakes. I know this because i have seen this personally with dogs surviving in the wild with no human interaction or no civilization around....
I think you need to reference the actual definition of "domestication" before you try to argue an invalid point.
The fact is this person broke the #2 rule of snake leeping, never leave it unattended with live prey!
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Hogs and cats can turn feral or wild prior to the 1st gen of wild birth. This is a documented fact that hogs have actually changed appearances and re-grown tusks or fur after being bred in captivity and released or escaping to the wild. I know these things because I have spent more time in the "wild" than most humans.
If you think your snakes are "domesticated", rub their dead prey on your hands and convince them not to strike...
Even bred in captivity, they are thousands of years from being remotely close to "domestication"...thats a scientific fact. Exactly why they are kept in enclosures to simulate wild or natural environments instead of domestically running around your house...game...set...match!

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Originally Posted by Ratikal

Thats the point and dogs do acclimate back to the wild without human intervention. They will stay close to civilization because they are scavengers by nature, not predators like snakes. I know this because i have seen this personally with dogs surviving in the wild with no human interaction or no civilization around....
I think you need to reference the actual definition of "domestication" before you try to argue an invalid point.
The fact is this person broke the #2 rule of snake leeping, never leave it unattended with live prey!
Fyi..
Hogs and cats can turn feral or wild prior to the 1st gen of wild birth. This is a documented fact that hogs have actually changed appearances and re-grown tusks or fur after being bred in captivity and released or escaping to the wild. I know these things because I have spent more time in the "wild" than most humans.
If you think your snakes are "domesticated", rub their dead prey on your hands and convince them not to strike...
Even bred in captivity, they are thousands of years from being remotely close to "domestication"...thats a scientific fact. Exactly why they are kept in enclosures to simulate wild or natural environments instead of domestically running around your house...game...set...match!

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They don't cos the domestic dog needs human waste rubbish to start the 2nd process of being actually wild,u r talking about no human civilisation or human contact so the dog is already wild it hasn't been with humans,domesticated means tame n kept as a pet,I think we all kno that!lol,FYI:i don't kno y u keep referring to hogs n cats wen I never raised that with u,u bought that up urself so I don't kno y u r saying that,u couldn't have a snake slithering round ur house cos it would disappear like many have(escapees) prob die somewhere that's y there in vivs!As for game set match.lol,u still ain't won the argument love!as for your facts there all wrong!dunno wat wild situation u lived in,think it's jus another way of u try a win n argument u can't win!thats y ur lying!


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Folks, this thread is asking for help about an injury. Tempting as it may be to continue with the "great" debate here, I'd hate to see an update or on topic post get lost in the shuffle - this particular discussion has a way of blowing up rather quick. If you would kindly utilize the search function, you can find plenty of live vs f/t threads. Most of the arguments have been hashed out to the point of becoming almost mindlessly repetitive but, if you feel you have something new or enlightening to add, please feel free to bump the appropriate posts.

Here are a couple threads to get you started if that's the direction you'd like to take:
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...eally-that-bad
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...ous-Wives-tale
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...-vs-F-T-debate

I apologize for the running off topic. I just stated my opinion and the basis behind it. It is a bit alarming when someone objects without facts or base just for arguements sake! The sad fact is this injury happened quite some time ago and this poor snake is obviously being neglected...maybe an actual DVM forum for medical advice would be a better option in the future?