Stupid BP Owner

On the off-topic of dogs, +1 that Cesar Millan is a joke. He's recently been catching up a bit on even just the common current knowledge and methods on dog training, but his old "training methods" were a wreck before. Did you know he doesn't even have certifications or training on dog training or behavior, he was a DOG GROOMER who decided he wanted to make a tv show. Actually because of this guy, dog training on pets with general owners backtracked at least 30 years back into dominance/punishment methods, before getting back on track again just recently. :/ His clients on the show also don't know their left hand from their right. The show is also obviously edited to only include the "successful" footage, and I don't doubt for a second that many of the dogs who were having fear related issues backtracked as well, after they're done filming.

Back to snakes LOL- I agree, it would be a good idea to let Wheatley chill and grow up a bit. Even just handling him twice a week for 10-20 minutes only would be fine. You can trust that when he gets bigger, maybe around 500g, he will naturally become chill and act "socialized" with no extra work on your end.

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Originally Posted by KingWheatley

I havent touched him since. I do need to take him out to weigh him so I can get the proper meal size. He's two days behind as of tomorrow...

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His meal shouldn't be much bigger than the last one you gave him. You don't need to weigh him, just use the same size meal as last week.


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Originally Posted by redshepherd

Did you know he doesn't even have certifications or training on dog training or behavior

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Not defending him but this is always a thing I cant help but laugh about. "Certifications" or paper given to one person by another person deeming them knowledgeable. Hands on knowledge and observation means more in my eyes than paper ;)
I know a bunch of technicians but I am proud to be a real world live mechanic also know as a Grease Monkey :gj:

This could go on and on with this but I would rather gain knowledge from people that have actual hands on experience than from anyone that has studied it.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

Not defending him but this is always a thing I cant help but laugh about. "Certifications" or paper given to one person by another person deeming them knowledgeable. Hands on knowledge and observation means more in my eyes than paper ;)
I know a bunch of technicians but I am proud to be a real world live mechanic also know as a Grease Monkey :gj:

This could go on and on with this but I would rather gain knowledge from people that have actual hands on experience than from anyone that has studied it.

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In the dog world, certifications would be success with working dogs, whether training in bed bug detection or search and rescue, or even advanced titles on competitive sports dogs. My nose work trainer does Search and Rescue with her malinois for over 15 years and she trains detection dogs, and I wouldn't completely trust anyone not experienced in this stuff. I don't mean just going through "dog school", those are pretty useless! Lol

Certifying the animal or trainer are different.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

Certifying the animal or trainer are different.

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I guess just semantics on the word "certify" right now, because I guess I'm using it wrong. I mean "real life experience and recorded success" as certifications right now LOL

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

You do not need to weigh to buy food. Look at the diameter and go from there.

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I did that before, and was feeding him fuzzies. I don't remember if you were part of that conversation, but Deborah made it very clear I can't eyeball very well.

That being said, he does well with the large mice, so I think I should be good getting that again? He's gotten bigger.


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Originally Posted by KingWheatley

I did that before, and was feeding him fuzzies. I don't remember if you were part of that conversation, but Deborah made it very clear I can't eyeball very well.

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I remember the thread and by now you should have a better idea of food size.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

I remember the thread and by now you should have a better idea of food size.

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Nothing wrong with being OCD and trying to be exact. I have a general idea of my snakes' weight and I like to weigh the rats before I feed them off. I only have 2, so that's not a tremendous feat. I just don't trust my ability to eyeball it, although I have done it before.

That being said, in this case, it's certainly warranted to let the snake relax and eyeball it. The most the snake weighs is what he weighed last + the rat you fed him last week.


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We have three dogs. We call them "hairy monsters" in relation to the snakes. We have trained the dogs that when we say "snake" to them, they're supposed to stay down/away. But we still keep the more defensive or timid snakes away from the dogs at all times, and all the snakes out of dog range if the dogs are wound up or unaware that snakes are out (for example, we hear paws incoming at anything more than an amble)


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