Spider Ball Python Wobble?

Just totally WoW......

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Originally Posted by KingWheatley

actually, that looks exactly like my snake, but bigger. :colbert:

Maybe the photos are crappy, but I will trust an official breeder, and several at that, over someone online who happens to disagree with me based on mere photos

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So which one of us would you like to speak with? Looks nothing like yours. At this point from the couple photos you posted I was on the Woma train.....

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Originally Posted by KingWheatley

the same website that Debora posted. I was covering the fact that I still have a right to be mad that I got screwed over.

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Yes you did. Research first. There are so many scammers in this hobby it is sad. They prey on people that have no clue hat they are getting into. PetSmart is great on all the other useless stuff they ill sell you BUT they always forget a THERMOSTAT!

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Originally Posted by KingWheatley

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heard of Brian Barczyk (I probably spelled his name wrong) from SnakeBytesTV? I tweeted him a photo, and asked him about the "fancy" thing. He clarified it's a spider.

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Many of us know him on a personal level. He is a great guy in our community and is always willing to help anyone.

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Originally Posted by KingWheatley

Figure Two: Full body under good light.
http://i.imgur.com/xedhMX4.jpg

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This one photo right here ran the Woma train off the tracks.... You over paid for a reduced normal. Now keep in mind anything most box retail stores mark anything that doesn't look like a normal normal as a fancy. Any reputable breeder knows what they are selling and usually way under what retail stores charge due to their overhead. Also many of us are willing to help and explain genetics and breeding to those that are honestly wanting to learn and expand their knowledge.
Might want to keep that in mind before you disrespect someone that puts in more time helping people here than she should have to but she enjoys helping too ;)

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

Yes you did. Research first. There are so many scammers in this hobby it is sad. They prey on people that have no clue hat they are getting into. PetSmart is great on all the other useless stuff they ill sell you BUT they always forget a THERMOSTAT!

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Well... That's depressing.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

This one photo right here ran the Woma train off the tracks.... You over paid for a reduced normal. Now keep in mind anything most box retail stores mark anything that doesn't look like a normal normal as a fancy. Any reputable breeder knows what they are selling and usually way under what retail stores charge due to their overhead. Also many of us are willing to help and explain genetics and breeding to those that are honestly wanting to learn and expand their knowledge.

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Reduced have thicker black lines, don't they?

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

Might want to keep that in mind before you disrespect someone that puts in more time helping people here than she should have to but she enjoys helping too ;)

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I would not have disrespected her if I didn't think she was disrespecting me.

It was unnecessary to give me attitude, for example, when I was simply providing possible counter-examples that may or may not have changed an opinion. I was not intentionally arguing with her to start with, but after some time I felt that she was simply arguing just to argue against me. Her sarcasm indicated that she found the information I was offering didn't matter, and made me feel as if she was not listening to me. Like every other human being, naturally, I got upset feeling like what I was saying, when I thought I was right, was simply being tossed aside as if I was just supposed to know better.

Regardless of this, I realized later that I was including a tone in something that likely was toneless and originally in good humor. It's difficult to see it that way, as I find that I'm usually the only one with a sarcastic sense of humor that does not intentionally do so to make others feel stupid. I also realized that I was associating her responses with another forum I used to be a part of who would put me down constantly, and argue with me just for the sake of winning and showing off about it.

Keep in mind, I had information that solidified my view, however false in actuality. In the future, it might be a better approach to listen to all the details and explain why you think something rather than just simply saying "it's not ____." For example, "the marking above the eye is black on a _____ and yours doesn't have that marking."

Because I don't have an eye to spot the differences. I don't know where to look. Point me in the direction and you'll find that I'm actually pretty smart. Perhaps a bit stubborn, but that doesn't mean I can't be convinced that I'm wrong.

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Keep in mind, I had information that solidified my view, however false in actuality. In the future, it might be a better approach to listen to all the details and explain why you think something rather than just simply saying "it's not ____." For example, "the marking above the eye is black on a _____ and yours doesn't have that marking."

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Yeah you mean like this explanation plus pictures

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Normal (reduced pattern) which may or may not be genetic but that's all I see here are some spiders for reference

Other than the distinct webbing you are also looking for head marking and white side.

http://stewartreptiles.com/wordpress...ery/Spider.jpg

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That you resented by

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Originally Posted by KingWheatley

i believe it's classified as a "phantom spider." As photos of those snakes match up directly to mine.

im sorry, but it is a spider.

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Originally Posted by KingWheatley

Besides that, several breeders I've talked to, both online and in person, immediately called it a spider ball python which isn't worth what I paid when I got angry over the fact that it was sold to me as a "fancy ball python" for $200.

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After that being sarcastic is the only way to go about things when someone insist they are right and that you just argue for the sake of it, might want to re-read the whole convo and how it went.

I am done with this thread there is such a thing as taking responsibility (that's what adults do) and that's not an apology on one end complaint that there was no info on the other especially when provided.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Yeah you mean like this explanation plus pictures That you resented by





After that being sarcastic is the only way to go about things when someone insist they are right and that you just argue for the sake of it, might want to re-read the whole convo and how it went.

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This is horribly off topic now... I'm going to make a new topic in a proper thread.


Also, that explanation still doesn't help me understand anything more. You are still just showing me photos that all look like Wheatley and it's horribly confusing to me still how you expected me to notice any differences... So yes. I did think you were arguing to just argue. Right now there's a benefit of doubt based on that perhaps you are seeing something I'm not, which is why this conversation is still struggling to continue.

In any case, I did apologize. I brought it back up to explain why I had an attitude in turn.

The difficult thing with internet forums is that typed words often don't contain tone or are easily misinterpreted. While to Deborah, her response seemed concise, to you it appeared condescending and so an argument ensued. Deborah is a mod on here and a reputable breeder, so usually people looking for advice are usually willing to take it when offered from such a person. Granted, there is nothing wrong with questioning a breeder's opinion or asking for further evidence.

I get though. It's hard to accept that you are a victim of your local pet store. I find it deplorable what they do to make money and have complained to their management in the past about the condition of the reptiles they keep for sale. Their goal is to sell you as much as possible (usually including caging and lighting you don't need) and rarely employ people knowledgeable about how to take care of the reptiles they are selling. Like Pit said, they let people leave without buying a thermostat to control their UTH. I can't imagine how many burned snakes this has led to.

Anyways, I am far from being an expert, but your BP doesn't quite look like a normal to me. Maybe it is a Woma or something similar. It's definitely not a phantom spider as I've had one and yours looks nothing like it. Either way, you paid too much and you should at least write the store's customer service email and tell them about how you were overcharged and had a terrible experience. They may at least return some of your money for it. You absolutely have a right to be mad, but they won't know about it unless you complain.

Lastly, if you love your little BP, accept him and do your best to make him comfortable and happy. Remember in the end that these are living creatures and no matter what circumstance brought him to you, he's yours now to enjoy. Caring for reptiles brings me immense pleasure and I love being able to participate in their lives. All value for morphs and colors aside, any BP is an awesome pet.

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Originally Posted by KingWheatley

This is horribly off topic now... I'm going to make a new topic in a proper thread.


Also, that explanation still doesn't help me understand anything more. You are still just showing me photos that all look like Wheatley and it's horribly confusing to me still how you expected me to notice any differences... So yes. I did think you were arguing to just argue. Right now there's a benefit of doubt based on that perhaps you are seeing something I'm not, which is why this conversation is still struggling to continue.

In any case, I did apologize. I brought it back up to explain why I had an attitude in turn.

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None of those animals look like yours.
You need to study the entire snake, both color and pattern.
Reduced actually means something different than you and most people think..... Think of a space with a pattern on it like a shoebox lid. Take that pattern an enlarge it and put is back on the same lid. Now you only have part of the original pattern in the same area.
Many morphs are easy but there are also a bunch that really don't look any different until paired with another morph.

Now if you get easily offended then the interweb might not be the place for you. There are many topics that are posted on this oar that are repeated because people don't know how or are too lay to use the search function. Just because something sounds one way or another. How you read it is all up to you.

Regardless of the morph, I think you should just enjoy your new pet. Doesn't matter what he is. Learn as much as you can from him and pick up as much as you can from the experienced folks here and all the other places on the internet and you and your snake will be just fine.

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Originally Posted by cletus

Regardless of the morph, I think you should just enjoy your new pet. Doesn't matter what he is. Learn as much as you can from him and pick up as much as you can from the experienced folks here and all the other places on the internet and you and your snake will be just fine.

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its true that it doesn't matter. But I would still like to know what he is. I would like to be knowledgeable simply just to have the knowledge. Not that I'm going to breed him, or anything.

his color sort of reminds me of cinnamon sugar toast xD

As you can see, when you dont buy from a breeder, there really is no gaurantee of what you are getting. So that leaves alot of room for guessing. At this point all of us can sit here and throw names out just as much as you are hoping to make an ID. But the fact remains, its unlikely you will know what your snake is genetically unless you try to breed it. This is the reality of this.

Enjoy your snake!

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