Slowcountry Balls 2015 Clutches

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Originally Posted by darkranger69

can you give us details on your clutch 5 paint stuff? i m curious since i don t know the morph well and some hatchlings look like HRA/black pastel with granite looking. wicking pastave hypo!!!!

Once again your topic is my favorite in the whole forum. Rock on!!!!

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Thanks. We appreciate the compliments. When 2015 Clutch 5 sheds out and we can get better pictures of them, we will certainly post more pictures and describe each one in more detail. Here is some background on the Paint morph. It is a really subtle incomplete dominate morph. The heterozygous form (Paint) has a real granite like look with smeared/faded alien heads on the neck. Charles Glaspie was the first to import the het morph and the first to produce supers. Ted Williams worked closely with Charles and our Paint stuff came from someone who bought from Ted. There are a couple of genes that may be the same gene, but different lines (Ben Siegle's Sentinel and Jon Courtney's Nazca, among others). The super or homozygous form is really cool. Here are links to some pictures:
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/paint-ball/
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...er-paint-ball/

Two of the most helpful breeders with the most experience that I have found for help when dealing with this morph are Jon Courtney (http://www.coldbloodedaddiction.com/) and Limey (https://www.facebook.com/RoyalReptilia).

Until the hatchlings finish shedding, you can look at last year's clutches from our Paint stuff:
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...lowbelly-Paint

Hope that helps.

Well, work and life got crazy this breeding season. As those of you who have been checking out our Facebook page know, we have had a pretty cool season. I will try to catch this thread up over the next couple of posts.

Here are the results of 2015 Clutch 4
Here is the female Mojave het Hypo from 2015 Clutch 4 after her first shed. She found a new home with someone from the September 6 Savannah Reptiday.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-07-20_1.jpg

Here is the female Pastel het Hypo from 2015 Clutch 4 after her first shed. She quickly found a new home.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-07-20_1.jpg

This stunning girl is a Pastel Mojave het Hypo from 2015 Clutch 4. Her colors are super cool. She also found someone to go home with at the September 6 Savannah Reptiday.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-07-20_1.jpg

This girl is our third Pastel Mojave Hypo. She is from 2015 Clutch 4. We held back the first girl Pastel Mojave Hypo that we produced in 2013 and she is a stunner. We fully expect this girl to be just as nice.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...0_3_401009.jpg

Here is the male Hypo from 2015 Clutch 4. He is looking real clean and nice after his first shed.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-07-20_3.jpg

This good looking boy is a Pastel Hypo from 2015 Clutch 4. He is so good looking that he shed, ate, and found a good home.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...20_3_63804.jpg

Thanks for checking out this thread!

Here are the results of 2015 Clutch 5. This clutch is a little difficult because it involves the Paint gene. Limey Smidger of Royal Reptilia (https://www.facebook.com/RoyalReptilia) and Jon Courtney (http://www.coldbloodedaddiction.com/ and screen name coldbloodaddict on these forums) have been a huge help with looking at my clutches involving the Paint gene. Originally the Paint gene was imported by Charles Glaspie. Charles Glaspie classified it as an incomplete dominate gene. Ben Siegel of Ben Siegel Reptiles Inc (https://www.facebook.com/reptileshop2) found his own gene that looked to be similar, the Sentinel gene. After these two genes had been brought to the USA, Jon Courtney found the Nazca gene in his Enchi project. These three genes were all initially classified as incomplete dominate. Ben Siegel later decided to switch the classification of the Sentinel gene from incomplete dominate to recessive, while Charles Glaspie and Jon Courtney have kept the classification of the Paint and Nazca gene as incomplete dominate.

As you can see on Limey's timeline, on July 22, Limey posted pictures showing that he had proved the Paint and Sentinel genes to be compatible. Because of the compatibility, Limey has decided that he is going to classify the Paint gene as recessive and not incomplete dominate. At the same time, as you can see by the pictures Limey posted on his timeline on September 9, the heterozygous Paint Super Stripe looks very different from the Super Stripe. This furthers the discussion as to whether or not the Paint and Sentinel genes are truly recessive, or are they an extremely subtle incomplete dominate gene. Some combinations seem to cause the Paint gene to be much more visible in the heterozygous form. I sent an email to Jon about Limey proving the Paint gene compatible with the Sentinel gene, but I have not heard anything back from him. Maybe Jon will weigh in on this topic in the near future.

The sire was a Cinnamon Yellowbelly Paint and the damupposed to be a female Paint, but I mixed her up with my female het Albino het Caramel Albino (for the entire season). Here are some pictures of the Cinnamon Yellowbelly Paint sire with what I think are a female Cinnamon Yellowbelly and a Cinnamon Yellowbelly Paint. The Paint gene really seems to have made itself visible by intensifying the Yellowbelly side-belly pattern and by distorting the alien heads of the last third of the body.
The Cinnamon Yellowbelly Paint sire is in the middle with the Cinnamon Yellowbelly Paint on the left and the Cinnamon Yellowbelly on the right.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...5-07-28_-3.jpg
Again, the Cinnamon Yellowbelly Paint sire is in the middle with the Cinnamon Yellowbelly Paint on the left and the Cinnamon Yellowbelly on the right, really trying to show the last third of the body of each snake in this picture.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-07-28_5.jpg

Here are two pictures of the Cinnamon Yellowbelly Paint, the Cinnamon Yellowbelly, and Cinnamon from 2015 Clutch 5. In the first picture, the Cinnamon Yellowbelly Paint is in the lower left, with the Cinnamon Yellowbelly in the lower right and the Cinnamon in the top middle.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...5-07-20_10.jpg
In the second picture, the Cinnamon Yellowbelly Paint is in the upper left, with the Cinnamon Yellowbelly in the upper right and the Cinnamon in the bottom middle.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-07-20_6.jpg

Here are two pictures of the Cinnamon Yellowbelly Paint next to the Cinnamon Yellowbelly. In both pictures the Cinnamon Yellowbelly Paint is on the left and the Cinnamon Yellowbelly is on the right.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-07-20_1.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-07-20_8.jpg

Here is another one of the Cinnamon Yellowbelly Paint (on top) and the Cinnamon Yellowbelly (on bottom) showing how the Paint gene distorts the alien heads on the last third of the body of the Cinnamon Yellowbelly Paint compared to the Cinnamon Yellowbelly.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...5-07-23_10.jpg

Here is a picture of the female Cinnamon from 2015 Clutch 11. She found a new home at Savannah Reptiday on September 6.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-07-20_1.jpg

Here is the female Cinnamon Yellowbelly from 2015 Clutch 11.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-07-20_8.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...5-07-20_12.jpg

Here is the female Cinnamon Yellowbelly Paint from 2015 Clutch 11.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-07-20_8.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-07-20_3.jpg

Here is the female Yellowbelly possible Paint. I really can't decide on this one. Any help from experienced eyes would be appreciated.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...5-07-20_11.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-07-20_5.jpg

And here is a picture of the three that might be Paints or normals, or some of each. Again, any help from experienced eyes would be appreciated.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...5-08-01_-4.jpg

Hope this can help increase some interest in Paint projects!

2015 Clutch 6 was supposed to be a Double het Albino and Caramel Albino clutch. Last year this pairing produced 2 Albinos and 2 Caramel Albinos. This year there were no Albinos and no Caramel Albinos, so I thought we just missed the odds. Then looking at pictures of 2014 clutches, I noticed that at some point in the season, the 2009 Paint female had been switched with the het Albino het Caramel Albino female. That explains the lack of Albinos and Caramel Albinos. So all of these are are 50% possible het Albino, 50% possible het Caramel Albino, and possible Paint.

Here is the lone female from the clutch:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-01_2.jpg

Here is the first male:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-01_1.jpg

Here is the second male:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-01_3.jpg

Here is the third male:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-01_5.jpg

Here is the fourth male:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-01_3.jpg

Here is the fifth male:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-01_1.jpg

Nothing too exciting, especially after my mistake. I really can't figure out when the switch occurred, but thanks to real good photo records of past clutches, I was able to figure out what happened.

2015 Clutch 7 was another clutch with the Paint gene. Look back at the post about 2015 Clutch 5 for more information on the Paint gene. The pairing was a male Cinnamon Yellowbelly Paint with a Paint female. I am not sure if any of the hatchlings got the Paint gene or not, but we did get 2 possible Paints and 3 Yellowbellies possible Paints.

Male possible Paint 1:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-01_3.jpg

Male possible Paint 2:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-01_2.jpg

Male Yellowbelly possible Paint:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-01_1.jpg

Female Yellowbelly Possible Paint 1:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-01_5.jpg

Female Yellowbelly Possible Paint 2:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-01_1.jpg

All help from eyes experienced with the Paint gene is more than welcomed.

Here are the results for 2015 Clutch 8. This was from our awesome 2009 male Orangebelly to his 2012 normal daughter. All of the "normals" seem to have a pretty cool look to them. Not sure if there is more going on or not.

Female 1:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-01_1.jpg

Male 1:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-01_1.jpg

Male 2:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-01_2.jpg

Male 3:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-01_2.jpg

Female Orangebelly:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-01_1.jpg

Let me know what you guys think about the normals.

2015 Clutch 9 was laid one day after 2015 Clutch 8 and was from the 2009 male Orangebelly to his 2012 Pastel daughter. Again, the normals have a pretty unique look to them.

Female normal:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-01_3.jpg

Male normal:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-01_3.jpg

Male Pastel 1:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-01_2.jpg

Male Pastel 2:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-01_1.jpg

Female Pastel:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-01_1.jpg

Male Orangebelly:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-01_1.jpg

Male Pastel Orangebelly:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-01_1.jpg

Female Pastel Orangebelly:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-01_1.jpg

I am not sure if any of the morphs got the unique look or not. There are a few that I think might have gotten the unique look, but just am not sure. It may take another season of to get some good answers.

2015 Clutch 10 may have a World's First in it. We hatched out a Woma Pinstripe Pastel Calico! The pairing was a male Pastel Calico to a female Woma Pinstripe.

The 1 in 16 Normal!
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-03_3.jpg

A male Pastel.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-03_3.jpg

A nice male Calico. He broke away from his yolk early, so he is only 34 grams.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-08_3.jpg

Now we will go through the progression of stacking the genes up to the Woma Pinstripe Pastel Calico.

We'll start with a nice female Pinstripe.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-03_4.jpg

Now will add the Woma gene to get a female Woma Pinstripe.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-03_3.jpg

Let's next add Pastel to get a female Woma Pinstripe Pastel (also called a Lemon Blast Woma).
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-03_4.jpg

And finally, the quad, a male Woma Pinstripe Pastel Calico!
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-03_4.jpg

Thanks for looking at these guys. Hope you enjoyed it!

Congrats on hitting the quad Chris! He looks super cool, can't wait to see him after a few shed cycles.

cool stuff you got here, i also think hat some of your normals look a bit odd