Need a deescription of these morphs please?

Oh, now I think I would like the high white.
Just hypothetically speaking, if I wanted to breed my orange hypo female with something, would an albino make a good match up?
-Amanda Ellen

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Originally Posted by kat_black181

Pewters don't look bland at all IMO. They're beautiful snakes. It's a matter if personal opinion, though. Everyone has a different idea of what beauty is...

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I think they look really cool as babies, very silver and black, but they do tend to get more brown and more dull as they get larger. Although I did end up with one that stayed lighter as it got bigger (might have something else in it)

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...something-else

Also the albinos tend to have the lines between the yellow and white become more blurry, not as sharp, as they get larger.
Pieds don't tend to change as they grow, well the normal looking parts do what the normals do, but the white and the sharpness does not change.
Ivories are ones that I think get better as they get larger. They have a little faded color when small, and when they get larger, that color tends to fade off more, and you get closer to fully white snake, with a light yellow stripe down the spine.

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Originally Posted by Amanda1226

Oh, now I think I would like the high white.
Just hypothetically speaking, if I wanted to breed my orange hypo female with something, would an albino make a good match up?
-Amanda Ellen

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I don't know about the eventual combination I'm pretty sure you are thinking of (albino and orange hypo), but I just wanted to make sure you realized that albino is a recessive, and if bred with anything other than an albino or something that is het for albino, the albino won't add anything to the babies visually. They will all be het for albino. It wouldn't be until the second generation, when you use the new hets you just got, back to either a het or an albino, before you get anything visual out of the albino.

not sure how well this translates, but playing with this page will help you see what you can get when you cross different morphs, as least by name.
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/

Oh ok! Now that makes sense. I understand completely now.
Ok, so I'm leaning towards an albino, but I want to be sure.
Can someone describe the pastel and super pastel so I can either decide if they are on or off my list? :)
-Amanda Ellen

I would go with a pied, as well! They are absolutely beautiful snakes, with such a mesmerizing array of beautiful orange patterning with crisp sharp white. Always a crowd pleaser! I just got a male for $400 shipped, too!

Pastels often have the same patterning as normals, but where normals are brownish-gold, pastels are bright yellow-gold. They aren't so flashy by themselves, but they are an awesome enhancer gene for other morphs, if breeding is in your plans. It's also very important to find a good-quality pastel, as they tend to brown out and look more like normals as they gain size. But a well-bred pastel will keep it's high-yellow tones.

As to the super form, I don't know much about it, so hopefully someone else can chime in.


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What about a banana? Or a toffino? Both of those are pretty. Youd probably like a good quality bee too, which is bright yellow and white with a black pattern. Bananas are yellow and lavender.

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The super pastel has the same pattern as a pastel but with reduced black (washed out looking, in my opinion, like somebody put a pastel in the washer with bleach) and brighter yellows. The head is washed out too. I have a good quality pastel - that is, the yellows stayed bright through adulthood with only a narrow band down the spine turning brown. And I think she's visually more stunning than the super pastels that I saw in the Reptile Shows. The super pastels looked like they bleached out my pastel. But, that's just my taste.

But, my bumblebee... wow. That's one amazing snake. I bred it out myself. I have a pastel and a spider. A spider is basically a normal but instead of regular black pattern, it has more of like a spider-legs looking black pattern because the black is not splotches but thin lines. I bred them together and I got a bumblebee offspring. The bumblebee is a lighter yellow than his pastel mother. In computer-speak, the yellow on the pastel is about RGB(255 230 0) while the bumblebee is about (255 255 110). And it has spidery black lines instead of black splotches. He looks like candy!

I saw a Killer Bee at a show too (super pastel spider) and it's the same feeling I got when I saw the super pastel. It's like they took Jack, my bumblebee, and put it in the washing machine with bleach. LOL.

Oh, and about breeding with your orange hypo... if you get a bumblebee het orange hypo (orange ghost), you can breed it to your orange hypo and get a whole world of possibilities!

If you can't find a bumblebee that's het for orange ghost, you can raise up your own and wait for the 2nd generation. Basically, you breed a bumblebee with your OG then take a bumblebee offspring from that pairing and breed back to the mother in about 2 years to achieve the ghost to ghost pairing. I like the Honeybee (spider OG) that you can possibly produce. It is like a bumblebee but instead of yellow you get butterscotch-looking color (or whatever your orange ghost looks like - sometimes they look a bit greenish from what I saw at the Reptile show). You can also potentially get a humblebee which is basically a ghost bumblebee. I've never seen one in person so I can't really tell you what it looks like. But from the pictures I see, it seems like it's a bumblebee with more pop to it. I can't really explain it much... maybe somebody here can.

I just like that bumblebee/OG pairing because of the wonderful possibilities of offspring. But having a bumblebee is, in and of itself, having one awesomely visual snake that is sure to wow your friends!

If you already have a hypo girl, a honeybee male is a nice addition, because he can make more hypos and honey bees with your girl. I really like my hypo female. She really does have a faded, ghostly orange look to her. I wasn't a fan of ghosts and hypos originally, but everyone compliments her. Honeybees look like that, but brighter, with the dark areas reduced that spiderweb pattern along the back.

I currently have 4 pewters in the house (!!!) because my pewter female has laid eggs two years in a row. They're gorgeous when they hatch out, light silver etched with smoky gray, but a lot of them will brown out with age. Cinnamon pewters are much nicer than black pewters, which are kind of mud colored to begin with.

If you want a snake with the most visual bang, go with a white snake or a pied or a high-contrast albino. My super mojave is kind of "dirty" for a white snake, like she rolled in charcoal right before I picked her up, but everyone thinks she is the prettiest thing ever. She also seems to sense that she'd last exactly three seconds out in nature, and she goes out of her way to be cute and friendly.

I really like buying from Justin Kobylka and Heather Wong. Heather's been very honest about temperament with me: the pastel and pewter I got from her were both biters. The pastel stopped after the first feeding, I guess she was just hungry. But the pewter kept chomping away at me for most of the first year that I had her. Temperament isn't completely clear until they've had a few meals. Some nice babies are biting because they're hungry and they don't know what to eat yet. Some super mean babies aren't biting yet because they're too busy curling up into balls and freaking out and being neurotic. My pewter started out neurotic and anti-social, and then switched to biting.

Both snakes I got from Justin Kobylka were super zen.