Scale-less BP photo!

so whats next in the scale of "acceptance because their captive and valuable", no tongue, no teeth, when does morph become cruelty....

its fast becoming "freakshow" instead of "hobby", u already have the clowns afterall.

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Originally Posted by Artemille

I've spoken with someone working there, they do not have belly scales.

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What does it matter to though? It's not as if every snake in the hobby is suddenly going to become scaleless over night. Or ever, for that matter. It's quite small on the grand scheme of things.



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there used to be only one pinstripe, how many are there now?

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What does it matter to though? It's not as if every snake in the hobby is suddenly going to become scaleless over night. Or ever, for that matter. It's quite small on the grand scheme of things.



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It's the fact that the hobby is degrading to the point I accepting practices that at their given pace will allow sub dermal implants on snakes because it looks cool.

It's not the snakes that a person personally owns, it's treating the animals we keep with enough respect that they are interesting by their own merits, not what we can tweak into them.

Color morphs is one thing as I have said before, but changing a snakes anatomy because we can, or it looks cool, or it will make lots of money is the wrong direction entirely.

We already have a bad rap with the whole killer snake aggression thing, and the weirdos own snakes thing, all we need now is narcissism to come along with snake ownership.

When will the animals we keep be enough to keep us fulfilled? When can all this designer boutique crap stop? I'm all for a pretty snake, but let's put the bedazzling guns away people.


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If we are going to talk about Morality then perhaps we are all horrible people for keeping an animal that is clearly designed to live in the wild, not cages, tubs or tanks for no other reason but human decadence and sense of fulfillment.

If we want to talk logic, snakes in the wild live a real hard life, and there are likely just as many defects born out in the wild that we never see because they die off young and turn to compost real quickly. Every species has defective births.

If its okay to keep a snake in an enclosure rather than let it live in the wild (were they hail from) provided we give it what it needs to survive in captivity, why is it wrong to experimenting with breeding a the cost of a small percentage of defects? Again, defects are likely born into the wild and die off quickly anyway (I have no certain proof of this, but it seems very highly likely, but please correct me if I'm wrong).....

I don't know, I think its only cruel when the purpose of creating a potential defective breed is strictly for the purpose of taking joy in the animals misfortune.

Come to think of it, How many times do breeders get dead eggs, or snakes that die off relatively quickly after hatching that aren't scaleless?? How come that okay, but the second it scaleless we throw our hands in the air?

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It's the fact that the hobby is degrading to the point I accepting practices that at their given pace will allow sub dermal implants on snakes because it looks cool.

It's not the snakes that a person personally owns, it's treating the animals we keep with enough respect that they are interesting by their own merits, not what we can tweak into them.

Color morphs is one thing as I have said before, but changing a snakes anatomy because we can, or it looks cool, or it will make lots of money is the wrong direction entirely.

We already have a bad rap with the whole killer snake aggression thing, and the weirdos own snakes thing, all we need now is narcissism to come along with snake ownership.

When will the animals we keep be enough to keep us fulfilled? When can all this designer boutique crap stop? I'm all for a pretty snake, but let's put the bedazzling guns away people.


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Then sell your snakes off and join Peta. This whole hobby is new genes, new mutations (that's what they are, defects), and new combos. If that's against your constitution, the you ought to just pull out of them right?

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and so speaks the voice of the modern hobby

such a shame really

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Then sell your snakes off and join Peta. This whole hobby is new genes, new mutations (that's what they are, defects), and new combos. If that's against your constitution, the you ought to just pull out of them right?

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and so speaks the voice of the modern hobby

such a shame really

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You and your soap box can get out of the hobby if it bothers you on such a high level.

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there used to be only one pinstripe, how many are there now?

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I did want to touch on this though, yes there used to be one pinstripe. Now, that doesn't mean YOU have to buy it. There are 7 snakes in my 8 snake collection that has nothing to do with pinstripes. The 8th? a pinstripe. One. Singular. I don't have all pinstripe combos. And if I hadn't had wanted a pin, I wouldn't at all.

So, you basically made a ridiculously ignorant comment that has nothing to do with scaleless ball pythons.

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so whats next in the scale of "acceptance because their captive and valuable", no tongue, no teeth, when does morph become cruelty....

its fast becoming "freakshow" instead of "hobby", u already have the clowns afterall.

rgds
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I'm assuming you've never owned or been around purebred dogs before. I guess my giant headed, stumpy legged Scotties make me a freakshow now.

While I'm on my dog related soap box, these are like mastiffs to me. Good for you if they're what you're into, I don't think they're inherently good or bad (same goes for the people who bred/own them), but they don't do it for me.

Good grief guys!! We're going to end up with another thread locked here...