undecided: pied vs. firefly

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Originally Posted by seeya205

. A co-dom will give you cool combo morphs your first breeding season! Robin, how many more years did it take Justin to start getting cool Pied combos compared to cool co-dom combos? That is my point!

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It doesn't take as long as you think. I produced the first Pewter Pied and possibly the first Sterling Pied only two seasons after beginning the project. It doesn't take long with good planning. I produced my first Pastel Pied (2008) in about the same time frame. With all the ingredients available on the market, it only makes sense if that is what you are working towards. Double recessives are another story.....but I still have my hand in those as well. Good luck. You guys keep making the codoms and I'll make the co-dom double recessives.:D

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Originally Posted by milktank

ive heard from a friend and saw from the new that there's a certain problem with a pied ball python regarding the feeding and the digestive tract. any opinions about that? im getting paranoid because i seems to me that pied morphs are slow growers and complicated compared to other morphs.. is it true? can anyone enlighten me?

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I'd love to know how and where these rumors get started.lol. I've been working with Pieds for almost 10 years and I've never had even one regurge or feeding issue. All of my Pieds, Pied combos, het Pied, and combo het Pieds are absolute pigs......with the exception of the Pastel het Pieds. Pastels just suck in my opinion. I have a large collection of Pied and Pied combo animals and can't say I have had any issue with fertility, feeding, or health. Not to mention, they are the largest animals in my collection.
Current collection:
2.4 Pieds (one 2 year old at 2000 grams and another well over 3000)
1.1 Pewter Pied (female may be Sterling and is over 2000 grams at less than 2 years old)
0.3 het Pied (Bertha, my original=biggest ball python I've ever seen 5'10" and 12+ lbs.)
1.2 Pewter het Pied
0.3 Pastel het Pied
1.0 Super Pewter pos het Pied. (will prove out within the next couple of months)

We are waiting on Pin het Pied eggs to hatch this week and DH Ghost Pied eggs to hatch in about 2 weeks.

Pieds sell easily and always grab peoples' attention. They take up the largest collection of a single morph/combo in our collection and will likely continue to grow. Bring on the combos!

I also never heard of the random rumor lol. Honestly, I think trolls make it up.

I heard from a breeder who heard from their cousin's friend that a breeder in Canada knew a guy who said that super enchi combos turn into white snakes after 1 year :O...

Kinda funny that the only 2 snakes in my collection who seem to be picky are my pied female and my enchi het pied male. Those are the only snakes in my collection that have the pied gene. Everyone else eats perfectly fine on the schedule I set them on. Most likely a coincidence :confuzd:

There are no inherent problems with feeding, growing, and breeding Pieds. Feel free to peruse the clutch records pages of our web site linked below. We have been raising and breeding Pieds, Het Pieds, and their combo's for years. The males typically breed their 2nd winter, and the females their 3rd. Just like any other ball python... Except Pastels. My experiences with them is a little different than Brandon's. We struggled ridiculously with them until we got the Pied gene into the Pastel. Our Pastel Het Pied and Pastel Pieds have done fantastic, the single-gene Pastels were terrible.
-Paul

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Originally Posted by milktank

ive heard from a friend and saw from the new that there's a certain problem with a pied ball python regarding the feeding and the digestive tract. any opinions about that? im getting paranoid because i seems to me that pied morphs are slow growers and complicated compared to other morphs.. is it true? can anyone enlighten me?

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My enchi pin pied has no issues.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

My enchi pin pied has no issues.

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Robin, now you're just rubbing it in.:P

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

Robin, now you're just rubbing it in.:P

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LOL - I was thinking when I typed it out - I just love saying enchi pin pied! And my first pied as well! :P

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Originally Posted by rabernet

LOL - I was thinking when I typed it out - I just love saying enchi pin pied! And my first pied as well! :P

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:bow: Yeah, yeah, we get it! :P To the question about pieds, Deborah nailed it - it comes down to the individual snake, or possibly the line. I have a two year-old pied that just now started eating regularly (900g today), but have two 2011 het pieds (from Deb) and a pastel pied (unknown line) that eat like pigs. Oh, and very high hopes for the het boy I'm getting from Paul at the Pied Peddler when I pay him off and the temps drop! ;)

I have several pieds and several het pieds. Only one has gone on a hunger strike and once that ended, put on weight like a champ. I've had no issues with feeding pieds and think this rumor is similar to the ASF crack cocaine stuff. Some bad facts just refuse to die.