Breeding Bumble Bee To Bumble Bee

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Originally Posted by twistedtails

My guess is that he(WOBP.com Mod) replaced the super spider with bumble bee. IMO, the odds on that pairing look off all together. Dur to the potential of the super spider being lethal I suggest you just pick another animal to pair with your bumblebee. Why try and make a bunch of bees when you can make a whole handful of different morphs with a different 2 gene animal involved. Just saying.

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It's not a "super spider" as spider is a dominant gene. You don't say super pinstripe or super normal either ... The calculator has those results because in a punnet square, you have difference places where the bee pops up and they just didn't get combined.

There is no super spider. It is a Dominate trait. Therefore the super cannot be lethal as it simply does not exsist.

Wanna hear it from the EvilmorphGod himself?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fhnR...feature=relmfu

1:00 is where he states it. I would have to recommend that everyone who plans to breed morphs check out Part 1 &2. Actually I recommend watching all of Raphy's vids. Tons of great info! :gj:

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Originally Posted by AGoldReptiles

There is no super spider. It is a Dominate trait. Therefore the super cannot be lethal as it simply does not exsist.

Wanna hear it from the EvilmorphGod himself?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fhnR...feature=relmfu

1:00 is where he states it. I would have to recommend that everyone who plans to breed morphs check out Part 1 &2. Actually I recommend watching all of Raphy's vids. Tons of great info! :gj:

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Sorry to tell you, but homozygous spider is still genetically possible and there is no proof in whether it is lethal or not. It isn't really proper to say "does not exist" when the evidence/research isn't there.

Is it lethal? Maybe, maybe not. There are not enough breedings out there to prove anything in this area. Just because high end breeders don't believe there to be doesn't mean that there isn't. They know better than to breed spider x spider because there is no point in breeding a dominant to the same dominant gene.

Getting a male recessive is not worth it unless you already have at least one older female that's at least a het. It will take much too long to finally start producing visuals, if you're lucky.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=289805

Shame I won't have the money til tax time was thinking about getting the male and then next tax year buying a couple of ready to breed female bees after seeing this post

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Originally Posted by Jessica Loesch

It's not a "super spider" as spider is a dominant gene. You don't say super pinstripe or super normal either ... The calculator has those results because in a punnet square, you have difference places where the bee pops up and they just didn't get combined.

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Originally Posted by Jessica Loesch

Sorry to tell you, but homozygous spider is still genetically possible and there is no proof in whether it is lethal or not. It isn't really proper to say "does not exist" when the evidence/research isn't there.

Is it lethal? Maybe, maybe not. There are not enough breedings out there to prove anything in this area. Just because high end breeders don't believe there to be doesn't mean that there isn't. They know better than to breed spider x spider because there is no point in breeding a dominant to the same dominant gene.

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You totally contradict yourself here. First you say it's not called a super spider, second you say its possible for a homozygous form. If it has a homozygous form it is a codom, therefor the homozygous form would be a super. All of this is exactly why I made the troll post a page or two back saying "oh snap, there is super spider talk in this thread". This could go on forever.

Let me add something here. If a snake has a homozygous for and does not express traits in the heterozygous form it is a simple recessive. If it expresses traits in it's heterozygous form it is a codom. Due to the fact a spider expresses traits and you are saying it is still possible to have a homozygous form then what option is left? You guys should keep all of this super spider talk for one of the thread started for it though.

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Sorry to tell you, but homozygous spider is still genetically possible and there is no proof in whether it is lethal or not. It isn't really proper to say "does not exist" when the evidence/research isn't there.

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I never said that a homozygous spider wasnt possible. I said that it doesnt exist, and until someone PROVES otherwise that statement is correct.
What more evidence and research would you like? The spider has been around since 1999 and there has never been a PROVEN homozygous spider.

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Is it lethal? Maybe, maybe not. There are not enough breedings out there to prove anything in this area. Just because high end breeders don't believe there to be doesn't mean that there isn't. They know better than to breed spider x spider because there is no point in breeding a dominant to the same dominant gene.

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NERD says that it is not lethal. Until someone PROVES otherwise I believe them. Why would they have to prove that it isnt when there is no evidence to prove that there is a lethal homozygous form.
How many breeding have there been? How many is enough?

I can think of three dominate traits off the top off my head. Spider,Pinstripe,and Granite. None of which have proven to have a homozygous form . Yet alone a homozygous that is lethal.

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Originally Posted by AGoldReptiles

I never said that a homozygous spider wasnt possible. I said that it doesnt exist, and until someone PROVES otherwise that statement is correct.
What more evidence and research would you like? The spider has been around since 1999 and there has never been a PROVEN homozygous spider.


NERD says that it is not lethal. Until someone PROVES otherwise I believe them. Why would they have to prove that it isnt when there is no evidence to prove that there is a lethal homozygous form.
How many breeding have there been? How many is enough?

I can think of three dominate traits off the top off my head. Spider,Pinstripe,and Granite. None of which have proven to have a homozygous form . Yet alone a homozygous that is lethal.

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Speaking of research....You should do some on the granite. If you are going to be firm in your answers make sure they are educated.

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Speaking of research....You should do some on the granite. If you are going to be firm in your answers make sure they are educated.

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Mike, Funny how you make a comment like this after posting this:

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If it has a homozygous form it is a codom, therefor the homozygous form would be a super

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you need to brush up on your genetics.

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I can think of three dominate traits off the top off my head. Spider,Pinstripe,and Granite. None of which have proven to have a homozygous form . Yet alone a homozygous that is lethal.

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I you read closely I said DOMINATE traits. There seems to be two types of "granite".
Dominate, which to my knowledge have not proven to have a homozygous form. If you know of a line of DOMINATE granite that has proven to have a homozygous form, please share.
Then there are CO-DOMINATE (Incomplete Dominate) Granites in which there have been proven homozygous forms (super).
You will have to understand the difference between Dominate and Co-Dominate(Incomplete Dominate) .

FYI I have done a fair amount of research on "granites". I am actually working on my own "granite" project.