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  • 11-03-2011, 12:32 AM
    Raptor
    Lets not forget that the massive freeze a few years ago had to have killed off part of the population. If not some adults, certainly it killed off juveniles/eggs.
  • 11-03-2011, 07:45 AM
    Mike Cavanaugh
    Re: Forget about rescuing the pythons in the Everglades, let's just kill them all -.-
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Raptor View Post
    Lets not forget that the massive freeze a few years ago had to have killed off part of the population. If not some adults, certainly it killed off juveniles/eggs.

    1.) You can kill all the burms you want in the everglades... it isn't going to work. You could send an army (literally, an army) in to hunt them down and kill them. You still arent going to get them all. And the volume that they reproduce in... forget about it.

    2.) They are much more resistant to the cold then you think. the "massive freeze" was not cold enouph or last long enough to do any real damage to their population.
  • 11-03-2011, 08:22 AM
    Generationshell
    Of course you will never be able to get them all. But every one counts.
  • 11-03-2011, 08:47 AM
    Raptor
    Re: Forget about rescuing the pythons in the Everglades, let's just kill them all -.-
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mike Cavanaugh View Post
    1.) You can kill all the burms you want in the everglades... it isn't going to work. You could send an army (literally, an army) in to hunt them down and kill them. You still arent going to get them all. And the volume that they reproduce in... forget about it.

    2.) They are much more resistant to the cold then you think. the "massive freeze" was not cold enouph or last long enough to do any real damage to their population.

    There's a study that says otherwise..
  • 11-03-2011, 09:01 AM
    Stewart_Reptiles
    Re: Forget about rescuing the pythons in the Everglades, let's just kill them all -.-
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Generationshell View Post
    Everyone knows about the python issue in the Everglades in Florida. But I must say finding one and killing it...just to see what it's last prey was... is just unacceptable.
    This sends a message to our society that it is okay to intentionally harm a python or snakes in general. And It is not okay. It is okay to rescue them and that is all.

    Here is the link:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...8.html#s445129

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Generationshell View Post
    However, even that I do not support since I am not an advocate of hunting.

    Both are about wildlife management you may not like it but it is necessary.
  • 11-03-2011, 09:37 AM
    The Hedgehog
    Re: Forget about rescuing the pythons in the Everglades, let's just kill them all -.-
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Generationshell View Post
    I am not disputing the consequences and repercussions that the pythons are having on the ecosystem in the Everglades.

    Yes it is a huge area. But c'mon only 330 or something are recorded as having been removed from the whole area last year. Yes it is a huge area, no it isn't easy.
    But their efforts seem to be lacking just based on the data from the past couple years.

    There is definitely not a "Lack of effort". Put it this way, do you have a pond near you, with lilly pads on it?

    The everglades is the pond, and the lilly pads, are giant acre long pieces of floating grass and vegetation. The amount of animals that live under one piece is astonishing. Not to mention, the gators are a big enough hassle to deal with for the guys who go and get the pythons. I've got some pictures to help describe it:

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net..._4910664_n.jpg

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net..._7616279_n.jpg

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net..._3134231_n.jpg

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net..._4944339_n.jpg

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net..._4506829_n.jpg

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net..._5206861_n.jpg

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net...1_920093_n.jpg

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net...1_680386_n.jpg

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net..._7349149_n.jpg

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net..._3677843_n.jpg

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net..._5499168_n.jpg

    Oh, and then you have to worry about these guys.....

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net..._5049231_n.jpg

    And this is the easy to trek through stuff. For the other parts of the glades, you need an airboat, no question about it.

    Hope that helps describe the scope of things a bit. :gj:
  • 11-03-2011, 01:05 PM
    Mike Cavanaugh
    Re: Forget about rescuing the pythons in the Everglades, let's just kill them all -.-
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Raptor View Post
    There's a study that says otherwise..

    LOL, of course there is.

    Bottom line is the damage is already done. They are here forever, like it or not. Quit wasting tax dollars trying to fight a fight that can not be won. There are, believe it or not, much better things to spend money on.
  • 11-03-2011, 01:37 PM
    The Hedgehog
    Re: Forget about rescuing the pythons in the Everglades, let's just kill them all -.-
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mike Cavanaugh View Post
    LOL, of course there is.

    Bottom line is the damage is already done. They are here forever, like it or not. Quit wasting tax dollars trying to fight a fight that can not be won. There are, believe it or not, much better things to spend money on.

    If you're arguing against removing the pythons, I have to respectfully disagree.

    They need to be removed, as they are seriously screwing with the ecosystem. I'd rather have jobs created for this, than other things we waste money on. They don't have any predators in the glades, and that is a VERY bad thing.
  • 11-03-2011, 01:53 PM
    Mike Cavanaugh
    Re: Forget about rescuing the pythons in the Everglades, let's just kill them all -.-
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by The Hedgehog View Post
    If you're arguing against removing the pythons, I have to respectfully disagree.

    They need to be removed, as they are seriously screwing with the ecosystem. I'd rather have jobs created for this, than other things we waste money on. They don't have any predators in the glades, and that is a VERY bad thing.

    What I am saying is they are fighting an unwinable war. Burms are now a permanent part of the Everglades. No doubt they will change the ecosystem, but it is already too late to stop.

    Don't worry, the world isn't going to end as a result. Not even close. Nature finds ways of workings things out.
  • 11-03-2011, 02:15 PM
    mainbutter
    Re: Forget about rescuing the pythons in the Everglades, let's just kill them all -.-
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by The Hedgehog View Post
    If you're arguing against removing the pythons, I have to respectfully disagree.

    He wasn't arguing that removing them was a bad idea, I don't think.

    I think he was saying that it's impossible, no matter how hard we try, to be successful.
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