Pecto Stepping up there games for BPs

But I do agree. 90% of the stores I have been to were complete crap.

So what makes this good news? They could barely take care of there normals, They should use the money for training there people.

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Originally Posted by MidSouthMorphs

So you are basing your whole comment off of one visit? Like I said, every location is different. Go back and re-read everything I said. I am not defending Petco as a whole, I am stating that certain locations do actually care. I know of a Petco that is closer to me than the one I actually go to for dog food, it is a poor excuse for a Pet Supply store due to the poor nature of the animals.

All that falls back on the management also, like I said. It depends on if the poeple actually care about the animals or if they just treat it as "another job". That is a huge problem now, the majority of American youth do not take pride in their work, no matter if it is working part time at Petco. Sais alot about a person in my opinion.

And yes I will eventaully breed him, why do you ask?

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Congratulations on your new pet. I'm sure I don't have to ask since you've owned ball pythons for 10 years, but do you have it in quarantine?

In my opinion Chilis does have bad food. However well they prepare it, I personally would never eat there. It has nothing to do with American youth (about which your comment was an inaccurate).
It all comes down to the ingredients that they use: the welfare of the animals for their meat, and the produce is most likely non-organic GMO and frozen. Chipotle, and Evos on the other hand use humanely raised fresh organic meat, and fresh organic produce and dry ingredients. All of which are corporate examples.

I believe that to own and produce something truly great, where it came from and how it was cared for before you took ownership plays a huge part on your success with it, be it your livestock, pets, houseplants, or dinner.

You'll only get out what you put into it.

• That's why all of my breeder animals in-turn come from the most reputable breeders that I can find.
• That's why I turn down 'great' deals for animals.
• That's why, when someone buying an animal from me wants to know where it's progeny were produced I happily oblige and tell them.
• That's why, if they want to see my facility in person I'll make arrangements for them, even though it's in my own home.
• That's why my equipment for my geckos costs way more than the geckos themselves.
• That's why I buy local, humanely raised, and organic ingredients to cook with.
• That's why I don't buy plants at IKEA, but pay more than twice for an orchid from Whole Foods instead (which I know comes from a local reputable nursery).

Now your pinstripe from Petco may turn out to be a great pet. I certainly hope it does, and lives a healthy, and happy life. But if you're going to breed it, I'm sure you will be avoided.

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Originally Posted by LizardPants

Congratulations on your new pet. I'm sure I don't have to ask since you've owned ball pythons for 10 years, but do you have it in quarantine?

In my opinion Chilis does have bad food. However well they prepare it, I personally would never eat there. It has nothing to do with American youth (about which your comment was an inaccurate).
It all comes down to the ingredients that they use: the welfare of the animals for their meat, and the produce is most likely non-organic GMO and frozen. Chipotle, and Evos on the other hand use humanely raised fresh organic meat, and fresh organic produce and dry ingredients. All of which are corporate examples.

I believe that to own and produce something truly great, where it came from and how it was cared for before you took ownership plays a huge part on your success with it, be it your pets, houseplants, or dinner.

You'll only get out what you put into it.

• That's why all of my breeder animals in-turn come from the most reputable breeders that I can find.
• That's why I turn down 'great' deals for animals.
• That's why, when someone buying an animal from me wants to know where it's progeny were produced I happily oblige and tell them.
• That's why, if they want to see my facility in person I'll make arrangements for them, even though it's in my own home.
• That's why my equipment for my geckos costs way more than the geckos themselves.
• That's why I buy local, humanely raised, and organic ingredients to cook with.
• That's why I don't buy plants at IKEA, but pay more than twice for an orchid from Whole Foods instead (which I know comes from a local reputable nursery).

Now tell your pinstripe from Petco may turn out to be a great pet. I certainly hope it does, and lives a healthy, and happy life. But if you're going to breed it, I'm sure you will be avoided.

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I am actually far from inaccurate, From 2008 to 2009, youth in America had a 9% rise in illegal drug use, I am not saying 100% are bad, it's only getting worse. Although none of this has any relevance here. So, since you are saying I will be avoided, then some of the first morphs were imported from Africa and the first Ball Pythons, I don't see all who breed and sell being avoided. And yes, he is in quarantine.

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Originally Posted by MidSouthMorphs

Although none of this has any relevance here. So, since you are saying I will be avoided, then some of the first morphs were imported from Africa and the first Ball Pythons, I don't see all who breed and sell being avoided.

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I don't see your point here. What's bad about something from Africa?
In-fact, it's generally regarded as a good idea for breeders to incorporate wild genes back into their lines.
Wild caught balls should not be sold as pets. However, those who understand genetics (you may, but not all breeders do), probably understand how wild livestock can help in a breeding program.

I do, I wasn't implying that anything is wrong with Africa. I have actually been waiting to get some WC adult females.

I talked to the manager at a local Petco. The one here gets their snakes from California Zoological. I also know some local breeders who purchase from them. I do agree that most corp stores don't take care of the animals in general. But, the one here is pretty good. I've had a few talks with the managers and they at least take advice from some people.

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Originally Posted by sparticus

most definitely. if these giant pet chains start selling morphs in quantity at a lot lower prices due to low quality and the fact that they (usually) don't keep the husbandry on point... it could cause the prices to be diluted for specialty breeders who are producing quality animals with proper husbandry - when it comes to people new to the game they usually HAVE to buy their morphs from a breeder since a pet store usually doesn't have them... but if they are starting to carry them... who knows that that will do ...??

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Unfortunatley for us breeders snakes like the Pastel ball python are becoming the new normal due to other breeders not being willing to hold their prices and are selling them cheap to keep from having to feed them. I match my prices to what the top breeders are charging and if I don't sell that snake and I feed it until adult hood, then I have either another breeder to add back to the colony or the price just keeps going up because it will then be old enough for someone else to add the their colony and breed out without having to put 3 years of rats into it. Personally I wish more breeders saw it this way.:banana:

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Originally Posted by shorty54

I talked to the manager at a local Petco. The one here gets their snakes from California Zoological. I also know some local breeders who purchase from them. I do agree that most corp stores don't take care of the animals in general. But, the one here is pretty good. I've had a few talks with the managers and they at least take advice from some people.

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I have an account with Cal Zoo and for the most part have been pleased with what I have seen from them, however I haven't been nearly as impressed with them as I have with Kim and Mark Bell of Reptile Industries and Rept. Mart. My advice would be to buy from private breeders like the Bells, VPI, Ralph Davis, Alan Bosch, Steve Rousis, and NERD. You may pay a little more for your animals but what you get in return as far as healthy beautiful ball pythons will more than make up for it!!

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Originally Posted by LizardPants

Congratulations on your new pet. I'm sure I don't have to ask since you've owned ball pythons for 10 years, but do you have it in quarantine?

In my opinion Chilis does have bad food. However well they prepare it, I personally would never eat there. It has nothing to do with American youth (about which your comment was an inaccurate).
It all comes down to the ingredients that they use: the welfare of the animals for their meat, and the produce is most likely non-organic GMO and frozen. Chipotle, and Evos on the other hand use humanely raised fresh organic meat, and fresh organic produce and dry ingredients. All of which are corporate examples.

I believe that to own and produce something truly great, where it came from and how it was cared for before you took ownership plays a huge part on your success with it, be it your livestock, pets, houseplants, or dinner.

You'll only get out what you put into it.

• That's why all of my breeder animals in-turn come from the most reputable breeders that I can find.
• That's why I turn down 'great' deals for animals.
• That's why, when someone buying an animal from me wants to know where it's progeny were produced I happily oblige and tell them.
• That's why, if they want to see my facility in person I'll make arrangements for them, even though it's in my own home.
• That's why my equipment for my geckos costs way more than the geckos themselves.
• That's why I buy local, humanely raised, and organic ingredients to cook with.
• That's why I don't buy plants at IKEA, but pay more than twice for an orchid from Whole Foods instead (which I know comes from a local reputable nursery).

Now your pinstripe from Petco may turn out to be a great pet. I certainly hope it does, and lives a healthy, and happy life. But if you're going to breed it, I'm sure you will be avoided.

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Thank your for stating that!! I also will go out of my way to make arrangements for people to check out my facility and show exactly what the mother looked like and what the father looked like and save pictures from all of their previous clutches. I also go out of my way to make sure the animals are feeding before sale. If they haven't feed 5 times in a row, they aren't for sale... beware the breeders who will make you a special price for right out of the egg babies that haven't even shed, yet alone eaten their first meal. Those people are out to make a fast buck and don't really care about the animals they are producing... even though they like to use slogans like "captive bred quality animals"... more like "buy it before I have to do something with it and it dies and I loose all my money on it"