emergency question! snake got bit! by another snake

I am sorry that you misunderstood my post by I did not misunderstand yours. I get that your working at your setup and I get that you are in this for the long haul. Don't take my post or others the wrong way.

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Originally Posted by kyokitty666

the male is not interested in the females, hes young, a little boy, i had him in his own tub, and the females are only still together for lack of containers at the moment.

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You have no need to defend yourself. End of the day these are your animals. That being said, how big do you think a male needs to be in order to breed? If you don't know for sure then how can you justify saying he has no interest. Little boys breed big girls all the time.

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Originally Posted by kyokitty666

Key words "AT THE MOMENT" im getting sick of people saying i dont know what im doing, just because at this moment i dont have the right things i need doesnt mean i dont know what im doing, its too late now, i have the snakes, theres no turning back so instead of telling me what ive been told over and over why dont you tell me somthing i dont know?

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If your sick of hearing it then don't read it. If you really want to be told something you don't know, then keep reading and be active on the forum. I have learned a tremendous amount from this site.

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Originally Posted by kyokitty666

today i gave her a medium rat because i could no longer see signs that she had eaten, and she had pooped, so i let her eat.

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The above comments are exactly what I was warning against. Don't feed your snake when you think it looks hungry, or when you think it has finished digesting. You don't need to wait for her to poop. Offer your snake a meal on a schedule, every 7 days, 10 days, some people offer every other week. Feed on feeding day. If your snake refuses try again on the next feeding day. Weigh your snake every month or so. If your snake is looking skinny or fat you can adjust accordingly. This is the science part of husbandry.

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Originally Posted by kyokitty666

my snakes arent miserable, they are fine, not perfect but you cant expect changes like everyone here seems to expect within days, it will take at least a month to see a change in the skinny female, but im working with her, and shes a sweetheart, i also house mice, hamsters and rats in the room, none have died... except the ones being fed to snakes :snake: ...but otherwise they are fine, breeding purposly, for my snakes, although one pair im breeding to see the if the babies take the fathers fur.... anyways

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No one expects things to change over night with your animals. Read and learn and take the necessary steps to fix the issues you have. Even the most experienced keepers have issues. There is nothing to be defensive about. Its not about you its about your snakes. I am sure your rodents are great.

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Originally Posted by kyokitty666

you arent here in my home, you cant tell me im not taking care of them, and you may say my hand is a bad tester, but i dont just touch the subtrate, i touch it long enough to see if it gets hot, and then i move the substrate to check the glass as well as the bottom, where it adheres to the glass.

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I am not in your home. You have shown us that you have issues. Only you know how things are going. Your hand is a bad tester, its not a matter of opinion. If your hand gets hot then your temps are at dangerous levels. Your temps could be way off and be affecting your animals negatively without causing major burns. The hope is that you can have a thriving animal not just a burn free one. All it costs is a few dollars for a good thermometer. Search this sight for "burns" you will find a lot of people who love their animals who felt with their hands and ended up with a snake with burns. I am not saying its going to happen to you. I am saying it could. Get a thermometer and your chances go down.

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Originally Posted by kyokitty666

now, again i care about my snakes, and the injured one is doing a lot better, the bleeding didnt continue and she doesnt look like shes going to have any scar tissue, but if you think paper towels are better i can easily change it.

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I am glad your snake is doing better. If there is any kind of an open wound the best thing is to get your snake in its own tub with clean paper towels changed daily or more often if she tips her water bowl or soils them. The key is to keep the wound clean.

Good luck and I hope your snakes settle in well with you.

i think im going to go away from the posts for a little while, just until i accually get everything for the snakes, im doing what i can for them, and i understand i could move the heating pad but even then i wouldnt feel it right to give them such small space, and ive read that the males have to be at least i believe 600 grams, but ive also read males as small as 300 have been able to get the job done, and i say he isnt interested because most of the time hes in his own hide box, not with them, otherwise hes drinking water or poking his head out of the box.

im not saying i did it only because she looked hungry, i fed her because it had been sufficient days, i believe im taking care of my pets and when i have the things i need, they will be much better, and when i get everything, ill post again.

about the vet, im saying that if they need to go to the vet ill take them, i dont know how to explain what im saying, just that if there is somthing wrong i will fix it, the money isnt an issue, but right now it is, i wasnt expecting to get 3 females, the first one i got was the male, from a kid that wanted to kill him.

the story for my male ball python is very simple, the kids that had him asked me if i wanted to buy their snake, i didnt think i was ready and i asked to just see a picture of him, and through that time i looked up how to care for him, problem is, they came over out of no where with the snake and showed him to me.

now i dont think i have the best judgement but ive never seen a snake look more scared then when i saw him open the box with the snake in it, apparently the kid had rarely held the snake, afraid of being bit and he claims the snake has struck at himself and his friends before but ever since i got him, he hasnt... what happened next is i went about getting the $40 for the snake, he told me he would give me the tank and the light with him so i asked him to bring it over.

before he came back with the tank, my fiance sat beside me in the room with the snake and he told me the boys told him that they were going to skin the snake alive that night if they hadnt sold him, claiming their dad wanted it gone because it was getting big, and they were going to eat him. so im accually very happy that i bought him, even if he isnt in the best housing right now, hes not dead, and thats what counts to me.

i know it may not to a lot of people here, but knowing that i saved his life and that he is doing better here makes me happy, it also makes me want to get him even better, hes a beautiful snake and doesnt look like a normal to me but again, i wouldnt know. also im taking the girls in to have them sexed, just in case they arent females, even though the guy who sold them to me, he claims that one gave him 8 eggs last year and one gave him 11 eggs last year, wich also makes me kind of worry about the snakes.

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Originally Posted by kyokitty666

about the vet, im saying that if they need to go to the vet ill take them, i dont know how to explain what im saying, just that if there is somthing wrong i will fix it, the money isnt an issue, but right now it is, i wasnt expecting to get 3 females, the first one i got was the male, from a kid that wanted to kill him.

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Sorry, this makes NO sense.. Money either is or isn't an issue. What do you mean you weren't expecting 3 females? I thought you had 2 females and 1 male? Am I the only one REALLY confused here?

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Originally Posted by ShortStack

Sorry, this makes NO sense.. Money either is or isn't an issue. What do you mean you weren't expecting 3 females? I thought you had 2 females and 1 male? Am I the only one REALLY confused here?

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obviously i cant explain it to you, im saying if by chance there is somthing seriously wrong with them before i get everything prepared for them, then i will do what i need to do, im not saying i want that to happen at all, but if it does im prepared, money isnt an issue, im just waiting to get paid to go out and get stuff for them.

and no, i have 3 adult females and one young male, at least i think hes a boy, it could be a girl as well, since the guy who sold the girls to me checked him and couldnt see anything.

Well, she should be fine, but only time will tell.

Hopefully you learned your lesson, don't keep your BP's together, EVER. Except of course, during breeding times.

There was a post just a short time ago titled smallest breeding male. Put it to you this way. If a male is producing sperm plugs he will make babies. Why would you be concerned about the girls laying two proportionally sized clutches? That's
Completely normal but totally beyond any concerns really at the moment. I think in all everyone is very happy that you want to make changes. But you asked before for people to tell you something you don't know. Or is it that there is nothing you dont know. From what I've seen with the advice and answers posted, there are things you dont know and the advice had been completly on the right track and sound advice. There's alot of things that goes in to these guys, and the easier thing to do usually is to have everything prepared before the animals come. But that isn't always what happens. I think everyone agrees that what you did by saving the male was an amazing thing for that little male, the other two girls just sound like they just laid eggs and them being skinny is totally normal especially after a large clutch each. But even though you took in three
Amazing animals I think some Dangerous compromises were established without having a full understanding on how to safely house 1 not to mention 3. When you rescue even if you don't plan on it you need to be prepared for anything and if compromises even for a short time need to be made they need to be made with a full understanding of what husbandry needs still have
To be met no matter what. I think for now the two girls being in one tank as long as they have a hot and cool side and as long as they are fed separately will be ok for the time being until you get paid. That being said, it is strongly not recommended to keep them this way. Also for both their set up and the males you need to have a digital thermometer. Your hand is not going to work. If you can feel the heat it's too hot. Also for your males set up. I hope by now he has a hot side and a cool side. Just having a bowl to cool down in is dangerous as well as water gets warm too. They need two thermal gradients at around 10-15.f difference to adjust temps. If the temps are too close together bad things will happen. These are of course temporary set ups but until you get paid you will know that the animals will at least have no further health issues. Over heating a snake is easy to do and can have irriversible brain damage. Just food for thought.

Hi kyo... just trying to help here...

Regarding temperature, as Dr. Del mentioned, you can "eyeball" the temperature if you don't have a thermometer as follows:

Put your hand under your armpit. That should be around 97 degrees, unless you have a fever then it will be higher. So, when you feel right on the glass under the substrate, try to make it the same heat if not a little less than your armpit. So that, the top of your substrate should be a tad cooler than your armpit - around 92 degrees.

Now, I'm going to assume you have a thermostat for your house/room AC. Set that thermostat to 78. It would be better if your tank is not on the floor (I can't remember if you mentioned this) then your ambient temps in your snake's enclosure should be ok.

Hope this helps.