Cordelia's neck - very upset!

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Originally Posted by dembonez

id keep it! i know its somewhat sick but it makes it special and i would be at ease to know that if i have it, she would get the extra care that is needed :(

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Thats all fine and dandy, but the OP paid more than market value for an above average female lesser with the intent to BREED her. This kink really compromises these plans.

When buying animals, this is a possibility (honest seller accidentally overlooking something (( after all, we are only human)) or a dishonest breeder intentionally not mentioning something ).

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Originally Posted by dr del

That sucks, :(

But how likely is it that any kinks are actually genetic?

I know certain morphs are known to be more likely to kink but lesser isn't one of them.

Could it be simply an incubation induced defect?

Or even an injury that happened very early on in her life?

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Thanks for your advice (in the rest of your post), and I too am leaning more towards an incubation error or injury... he still should have told me, shouldn't have charged full price, etc. etc. Plus I'd like to hear his take on the causes, and have him answer the questions you suggested - I'll let you know if/when he responds!

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Originally Posted by cinderbird

Thats all fine and dandy, but the OP paid more than market value for an above average female lesser with the intent to BREED her. This kink really compromises these plans.

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Exactly. After "shopping" for lessers for months, I chose her specifically for the breeding potential & quality... I have a proven breeder Mojave male, and was REALLY looking forward to making BELs with her. Even though it was a financial stretch, I figured "at least it's a good investment, so I'll eventually make that money back - and then some." All of my snakes are still beloved pets, but I also saw her as an investment, and now those plans are in jeopardy. Besides, if I wanted a rescue I could have gotten one for free on Craigslist. :cool:

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When buying animals, this is a possibility (honest seller accidentally overlooking something (( after all, we are only human)) or a dishonest breeder intentionally not mentioning something ).

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While I said earlier I'm not that trusting, I am very forgiving... so if it was a mistake/oversight, I will forgive and forget with proper compensation. :gj:

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

I too would give them till Monday or Tuesday to respond just because of the long weekend.
Then what ever wait time after that is up to you.
Also this pic the breeder sent you may show it, I cannot clean it up enough to tell if its the tip of the tail or the kink (under enough zoom to tell it pixelates too bad)

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Pretty sure that's just her tail... and probably what I assumed when I first saw the picture.

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Next question is, how attached are you already? Are you going to worry about what happens to her if he gets her back? Some people treat their animals as just dollar signs! (I had a partner of mine want to breed one of my APBTs that was in the middle of heartworm treatment just because she was in heat!!:mad:)

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Some people! :mad: I'm definitely not one of those, and get emotionally attached to ALL of my animals... they are beloved family pets first, and breeders (in the case of my snakes) second. I've only had Cordelia for 2 weeks now, so the attachment isn't all that strong - but I would ask his plans for her if she's returned, and keep her if he offered a reasonable refund.

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Third and final, Is it possible to get an x-ray done NOW just to see what is going on inside her? I dont know what it takes to x-ray a snake but it would help you to inform yourself and see if there might be signs of injury and not genetics.

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I don't have any extra money right now (unless it was an emergency), but maybe I'll call the vet and inquire about X-rays... if the cost isn't too much, I would consider doing that in the near future.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

I too would give them till Monday or Tuesday to respond just because of the long weekend.
Then what ever wait time after that is up to you.
Also this pic the breeder sent you may show it, I cannot clean it up enough to tell if its the tip of the tail or the kink (under enough zoom to tell it pixelates too bad)
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h1...prowl/Kink.jpg

Next question is, how attached are you already? Are you going to worry about what happens to her if he gets her back? Some people treat their animals as just dollar signs! (I had a partner of mine want to breed one of my APBTs that was in the middle of heartworm treatment just because she was in heat!!:mad:)

Third and final, Is it possible to get an x-ray done NOW just to see what is going on inside her? I dont know what it takes to x-ray a snake but it would help you to inform yourself and see if there might be signs of injury and not genetics.

I wish you luck and please keep us informed of the outcome.

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I know someone on Fauna will point this out, so I'll do it just so you're not blind sided.

The circled part to me looks like her tail. However, the kink could still be in that photo, because it's not as strong on the showing side than the other side. It's still curved the way it shows in Lolo's pictures, it just doesn't show the extra skin side. And, to someone amazed by the quality of the animal and not being warned there might be a defect, I highly doubt alot of people would notice it.

I hope this gets resolved in your favor!

Any updates Lolo?

get a resulation on this yet.
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Nope, no news as of yet... I sent him a follow-up email & photos the other day, but still haven't heard back. He has another week to respond, and then I'm taking it to the next level. :mad:

Btw, is this something PayPal might cover? I had a snake never arrive once, and PayPal refunded 100% of my money ($100) without questions... I wonder if this would qualify, maybe as "item received not as described?" I'd rather deal with them than the BOI, since it's not like anyone on Fauna can give me a refund.

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Originally Posted by Lolo76

Btw, is this something PayPal might cover? I had a snake never arrive once, and PayPal refunded 100% of my money ($100) without questions... I wonder if this would qualify, maybe as "item received not as described?" I'd rather deal with them than the BOI, since it's not like anyone on Fauna can give me a refund.

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PayPal might refund as long as they know your item was "not as described" and "broken" with no further contact from the seller.

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Originally Posted by Lolo76

Btw, is this something PayPal might cover? I had a snake never arrive once, and PayPal refunded 100% of my money ($100) without questions... I wonder if this would qualify, maybe as "item received not as described?" I'd rather deal with them than the BOI, since it's not like anyone on Fauna can give me a refund.

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I got a gecko once that was really messed up. I filed though Paypal "item not as described" as the seller was unwilling to work with me. Paypal denyed my claim stating that they only cover "items not as described" for items purchased through ebay. It's been about 2 years so I don't know if the policy has changed.