Is this really a humane way to pre-kill?

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Originally Posted by Shenzi Sixaxis

I never thought of that. However, isn't keyboard cleaner chemicals, and not Co2?

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Nope. Completely nothing but CO2. It even shows it in the label. Well, at least the keyboard cleaner I use for my computer. Dunno if there are other "types" of keyboard cleaner.

whats your question bub i've said 2 or 3 times how i kill my mice and rats now if that wasn't your question what is it cuase i seem to have missed it if it wasn't about how i kill my mice.

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Originally Posted by jfreels

So you've avoided my question for about the 6th time, ice. Personally, I'm starting to think you're a troll. Thanks for taking the tip on using punctuation. I still just skimmed over your posts, but I see commas and periods so I'm sure some people on the forum appreciate it.

Shenzi, review these videos. There are many more. Just do whatever search you did to find those other videos but ignore those couple results that you posted.

YouTube - Cheap Rat Gas Chamber
YouTube - Approved Euthanasia Methods for Small Lab Animals: Tools and Techniques
YouTube - Mouse CO2

Ice's comments above about it's effects are irrelevant because those are the effects on a HUMAN body.

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so if how mice and rats respond so different then human why do we do animal testing on them for new drugs long before the human trails begin. why would they do that jfreels as you claim what mice and rats go threw is so much different then what humans go threw

OK true but every living creature goes threw similar stuff just cause they can't speak up and say so don't mean they don't. with that reasoning a mute don't have the same responses as a non-mute cause they can't speak up and say what they are feeling

OK think of it like this how is it effects on a rat or mouse different then a human body is there some kind of study done that i can't find since long before any new drug goes on the market it is tested on rats and mice first why since you say they dont respond the same way. but yet they test meds on rats and mice long before they are given to humans
why are they tested on rats and mice before they are tested on humans if they are so different like you claim? I'll tell you why cause all living creatures still respond similar to certain stuff

jfreels lets see some links you can find that say mice and rats don't have feelings or know whats going to happen to them. just cause the rats and mice can't say what there body is feeling doesn't mean they don't feel it

or this it is considered humane because rats and mice are considered pests so it is the approved way to deal with pests

good thing Columbus didn't listen to everybody who told him the world was flat at that point in time no one tried to disprove that it was flat cause there king said so. also good thing the wright brothers didn't listen to everybody saying that it was impossible to fly

for the person who said it was inhumane to stick a rat or mouse straight in the freezer what about using the cooler method of gassing dry ice is allot colder then everyones freezer At temperatures above −56.4 °C (−69.5 °F) and pressures below 5.2 bar (the triple point), CO2 changes from a solid to a gas with no intervening liquid form, through a process called sublimation. OK now most peoples freezers are around low teens old freezer to 0 new freezer yet your roommate thinks it's ok to dry ice the mice and rats do the math dry ice is alot colder then a freezer or is it the fact that maybe the mice and rats lungs freeze before they die that makes her think it is more humane

jfreels
but noticed you either refused to awnser my question as did everybody else so i'll say it again

how does a mouse die when gassed with c02?

don't they still suffocate whether asleep or awake it is still suffocation cause you removed the oxygen

I'm starting to think people just want somebody to hold there hand and lead them threw life so they don't have to make decisions for themselves and are to dense to go from what there (master, hand holder) told them was a fact so they dont bother to question what they are told

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Originally Posted by anatess

Nope. Completely nothing but CO2. It even shows it in the label. Well, at least the keyboard cleaner I use for my computer. Dunno if there are other "types" of keyboard cleaner.

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keyboard cleaner in my area says this on the can

bittergent trademarked
helps detter inhalant abuse
so something is added to get people to quite or make them not want to inhale it
and if you read the label why they say don't expose to open flame with the spray if just c02 it would put the flame out. but thay say not to ignite it c02 won't ignite so there has to be something else in the can

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Originally Posted by ice#1

whats your question bub i've said 2 or 3 times how i kill my mice and rats now if that wasn't your question what is it cuase i seem to have missed it if it wasn't about how i kill my mice.

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OK, so you do use a BB gun then. I just wanted to make sure.

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Originally Posted by ice#1

so if how mice and rats respond so different then human why do we do animal testing on them for new drugs long before the human trails begin. why would they do that jfreels as you claim what mice and rats go threw is so much different then what humans go threw

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I'm going to venture a guess that you're a kid. I'll let you learn that in high school.

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Originally Posted by ice#1

OK true but every living creature goes threw similar stuff just cause they can't speak up and say so don't mean they don't. with that reasoning a mute don't have the same responses as a non-mute cause they can't speak up and say what they are feeling

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Sure, but they could give you the finger :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by ice#1

OK think of it like this how is it effects on a rat or mouse different then a human body is there some kind of study done that i can't find since long before any new drug goes on the market it is tested on rats and mice first why since you say they dont respond the same way. but yet they test meds on rats and mice long before they are given to humans
why are they tested on rats and mice before they are tested on humans if they are so different like you claim? I'll tell you why cause all living creatures still respond similar to certain stuff

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Easy, they are not human. Your argument is invalid here. We use all sorts of animals for testing because we won't risk human life. Seriously, pay attention when you get to science class.

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Originally Posted by ice#1

jfreels lets see some links you can find that say mice and rats don't have feelings or know whats going to happen to them. just cause the rats and mice can't say what there body is feeling doesn't mean they don't feel it
or this it is considered humane because rats and mice are considered pests so it is the approved way to deal with pests

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You've never passed out have you. I didn't want to post this, but google search 'exit bag'. I won't divulge why/how I know more about this topic than you, but I do.

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Originally Posted by ice#1

good thing Columbus didn't listen to everybody who told him the world was flat at that point in time no one tried to disprove that it was flat cause there king said so. also good thing the wright brothers didn't listen to everybody saying that it was impossible to fly

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Maybe you do pay attention in school :confused:

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Originally Posted by ice#1

for the person who said it was inhumane to stick a rat or mouse straight in the freezer what about using the cooler method of gassing dry ice is allot colder then everyones freezer At temperatures above −56.4 °C (−69.5 °F) and pressures below 5.2 bar (the triple point), CO2 changes from a solid to a gas with no intervening liquid form, through a process called sublimation. OK now most peoples freezers are around low teens old freezer to 0 new freezer yet your roommate thinks it's ok to dry ice the mice and rats do the math dry ice is alot colder then a freezer or is it the fact that maybe the mice and rats lungs freeze before they die that makes her think it is more humane

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Wow, just wow.

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Originally Posted by ice#1

jfreels
but noticed you either refused to awnser my question as did everybody else so i'll say it again

how does a mouse die when gassed with c02?

don't they still suffocate whether asleep or awake it is still suffocation cause you removed the oxygen

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Because it's blindly obvious, they pass out and then their body shuts down. It's just about the same thing the shot of the pink stuff does.

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Originally Posted by ice#1

I'm starting to think people just want somebody to hold there hand and lead them threw life so they don't have to make decisions for themselves and are to dense to go from what there (master, hand holder) told them was a fact so they dont bother to question what they are told

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They are called scientists. I believe them before I'd believe you because they do scientific tests. I'll bet you don't believe in science.

actually i'm 37 years old and was very good in science class in the top 10% for the country according to (can't rember the name of it but that test they give everybody once a year)
further more i was so good in science class when was in the 7th grade they moved me to collage level Junior science classes. where i still aced my classes and even those teachers told me i should become a scientist or doctor cause i just new stuff other people had to study to know


OK but none the less you say they pass out then there body shuts down well yeah when you remove all the oxygen that tends to happen and it is called suffocation. no matter how you look at it it they are still suffocated to death just cause they are asleep don't mean they aint suffocated

rats with documented genetic histories are used in animal testing for a number of reasons, including their frequent reproduction, genetic purity and similarities to human biology.

link to them saying rats have similarities to humans which you say they don't you keep saying I'm uninformed yet each time you make such statements i go find info on the net that proves my statements right interesting huh
http://www.wisegeek.com/why-are-rats...al-testing.htm



hmm maybe somebody else should of paid a Lil better attention in science class

hmm a study they did with c02 on rats
http://74.6.146.127/search/cache?ei=...g9ID_N68fU9A--
so enter into search effects of c02 on rats there is only 1 study done that poped up on my search window and that it showed c02 to be used as such. Carbon dioxide as a short-term restraint anaesthetic in rats with
subclinical respiratory disease
nothing came up on how c02 is humane to use on rats. but if you change the wording a lil it comes back with links of how pest control people use co2 to kill pest rats cause they consider it safer then traps or other poisons which leave residual traces of poison

enter humane ways to kill rats
http://kb.rspca.org.au/What-is-the-m...-mice_139.html
hmm says use poison

vet says they don't gas rats
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...0162823AAQb3zd

it took going threw over a page of links before 1 link about using c02 was mentioned most saying poison so if in fact it was so humane why didn't it make the first page interesting

Euthanasia is just another word for killing it still ends up dead any way you look at it. call it humane or inhumane you still took a life


i do gets tons of pleasure from this debate with you though but at least show some links to prove how it is humane

It's the VERY FIRST LINK! Learn to google, how to use punctuation, proper use of words and other such things that a 37 year old should know how to do. :rolleyes: BTW, your profile states that you're 36 and you signed up about two weeks ago. :confused: happy birthday :confused:

I googled for "humane way to euthanize rats" and got this: http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=...49e4ca0c47f7e4

I don't see anywhere on the links on the first page that "BB gun to the temple" is the humane method used by anyone. Even when I use my pro google searching skills to look for BB gun being a humane form of euthanasia, all I come up with is using the CO2 cartridges to humanely euthanize rats.

Also, you state in this thread that you "smack in the back of the head". Which is it?

Look, Kevin, I'm not trying to start fights with you but you won't convince me otherwise. Let's just agree to disagree. I'm not even sure why I keep replying to you. I don't even euthanize my own mice/rats. I have researched it though and if/when I start my colony I will use CO2.

i say I'm 37 cause here in a couple months is my birthday so technically I'm 26 3/4 so I'm closer to 37 then 36

then the bb gun was a joke

I've said twice in this thread alone i flip mice in head with my finger and use a pencil or pen to smack rats in the back of the head

i too could careless about this topic but i like to argue/debate so here i am

just noticed my search was changed from Google to yahoo but when search Google it still had some of the same stuff yahoo had just a few added c02 links

and also I'm the same way you aint going to convince me that taking all the oxygen away from a living being is humane whether it is asleep or awake a rat or a human

how about lets talk politics or religion? lol

I am currently breeding mice for my baby ball and 5ft corn. i did a lot of research on pre killing them for freezing or same day feeding. the co2 chamber was in fact the most humane and plenty of reasonable proof to support it. the website i found was actually a design for euthanizing small pets up to two pounds for pet owners that did not have the finances to have them put down at the vet. carbon dioxide or co2 levels at less than roughly ten percent eliminates pain, increasing the percentage makes it an anesthetic (sp?) at this point the animal is on cloud nine. high concentrations kill the animal. and i will say high concentrations do cause respiratory, throat, and nasal irritation but by that time the animal is beyond feeling these side effects. for my gas chamber i used co2 released from mixing baking soda and vinegar. i think the cartridges are too pressurized and stress and could possibly cause harm to mice before the gas begins to work. this is my system and what i believe to be the most humane way to pre kill mice.

meant to say 36 3/4 not 26 3/4

I take the mouse or rat in the tail and bang its head into something hard. This is very effective and fast! After this I pull head and spine apart to be 100% it is dead. I really don't think anyone can come up with a faster and more humane way - well maybe dynamite :)