Lucy bug eyed ball python for $400

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Originally Posted by xdeus

I'm curious, many people in this thread have commented that the bug-eyed snake is defected and shouldn't be bred, yet many of the people who commented have Spiders with a well-known genetic defect.

At what point does a defect become acceptable?

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The first spider wobbled. We really did not have any non wobbleing spiders to breed instead of it. Who is to say they should have bred it... it wasnt me.

As of the lucy, I have no idea if being bug eyed is something that is common in bels. But if it isnt, why now possibly introduce it?

thanks guys! i really want this animal, do you know if the wierd eyes make there lives uncomfortable??

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Originally Posted by NathanV

thanks guys! i really want this animal, do you know if the wierd eyes make there lives uncomfortable??

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Probably just see the world as one big skateboarding video shot with a fish eye lens. Triiiipppyyy.

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Originally Posted by pavlovk1025

Probably just see the world as one big skateboarding video shot with a fish eye lens. Triiiipppyyy.

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LOL...That is funny!

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Originally Posted by NathanV

thanks guys! i really want this animal, do you know if the wierd eyes make there lives uncomfortable??

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I can't say for sure, but I do not think so. If I were you, I would try to find people that own BELs with bug-eyes and ask them.

Since they would have lived their lives like that, it would be 'normal' for them. Meaning they wouldn't know anything different. Though, I'd mildly think that there would be a possibility of retained eyecaps after shed though.

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Originally Posted by jlawson

Ditto

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Trans Pecos Rat?

bug eyeing is something thats common among the lesser/butter x lesser/butter ask a breeder for stats, but its reported all the time. as with the spider, they eat, pop, breed, and live healthy lives in captivity. whats the problem?

and whos to say its a flaw? mayb they can see better or see more? mayb not, but you guys call it bad because its looks different, but you own morphs?

and also how can people still be arguing the spider thing, lemme end it right here. Spider is a dominant morph, it is outcrossed because of that fact alone. Now add the fact that the homozygous form doesn't exist, it's almost never inbred. so after all this out crossing, 100% of the normal offspring to spiders has never had a reported wobble, so that makes it tied just to the spider gene. Now people have wobbleless spiders, but the offspring always end up wobbling. and it always possible those wobbleless spiders wobbled as neos and outgrew it.

conclusion, after 10 years of spiders being bred, its just tied to the gene, face it.

thank you all for the input, my snake guy reduced the price to 375 and its really pretty, ima do payments on it.

While. In daytona I happened to see a super butter in Kim Bell's table, I asked her about the bug eye's, she said it was pretty common and that she hadn't noticed anything different about it other than the appearance. While I hope my future lesser x lesser cluthes produce a super with regular eyes I'll be ok if I get a bug eyed one.