TOFFEE Ball PROVEN

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Originally Posted by Watever

There is no reason to say bad things on this.
But until it's color change to the color of a toffee, nothing is proved yet.

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No one has said anything bad at all....just that those hatchlings looks exactly like regular baby albinos. I know I'm not alone when I say I'll be very happy to be proven wrong and eat my words on the apparent phenotype of those snakes.

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Originally Posted by jlc

no one has said anything bad at all....just that those hatchlings looks exactly like regular baby albinos. I know i'm not alone when i say i'll be very happy to be proven wrong and eat my words on the apparent phenotype of those snakes.

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x2;)

I am not a big big fan of the adult Toffee -- bland coloring and unknown combo potential for such an expensive animal -- and a RISKY project with regards from recouping ones' investment in my opinion.

Truth be told, I/we have yet to see an AUTHENTIC/RELIABLE photo of a hatchling Toffee. I find it odd that Craig has not made those photos readily avaiLble on every forum if only to avoid the apparent growing apprehension about what was "THE" next big morph 2-3 years ago.

As they say,."That was then and this is now". I don't know Craig, but my advice, given the current state of his project is... SPIN CONTROL -- you need to partake in some. :gj:

The bigger question than whether the Toffee, Candy, Paragon et all are compatible/the same morphs -- it is whether the Toffee exists as a captive bred proven morph??? My 2 cents. :)

Those are not Toffee's or Candy's. Toffee's and Candy's do not look like albinos babies. They looks like the adults but in baby form. I had the pleasure of seeing and working with Pete's Candy male at his shop a few years ago when he first started producing het Candy's. A Candy and a Toffee do not look at all the same. They are two completely different colors. I too think they are albino X's of some sort. They could be possible het Candy or het Toffee, but you will have to breed them together to find out.

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Originally Posted by Patrick Long

I thought they were relating the Candy more to the Banana

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Thats what I thought not to mention they look nothing like a toffee.

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Originally Posted by lillyorchid

Those are not Toffee's or Candy's. Toffee's and Candy's do not look like albinos babies. They looks like the adults but in baby form. I had the pleasure of seeing and working with Pete's Candy male at his shop a few years ago when he first started producing het Candy's. A Candy and a Toffee do not look at all the same. They are two completely different colors. I too think they are albino X's of some sort. They could be possible het Candy or het Toffee, but you will have to breed them together to find out.

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BAM!!!, you nailed it on the head, i couldnt agree more! sorry to the o.p. but there is no chance that animal is a toffee, but still a nice albino just a very expensive way of making one!!!!

Ill belive it once they mature.

Also, why do people say the Candy and Toffee are the same morph, to me they look nothing alike at all?

Just a couple of things as I'm running for work.
Has someone proved the Toffee and Candy the same??? The Ultramel and Caramel look simular but are not the same???
Craig told me none of the females produced babies this year and they were waiting to see what I produced so if they have never been produced how does everyone know what they will look like as babies?? The Banana is a million miles away as an adult from the baby..
And these don't look like regular albinos in the flesh, Lav like yes but there is also the PATTERN difference that is in the hets and half of all the other babies I produced which also seems strange!!
If it colours up then great, if it doesn't then either way, its proven and as I have a guarantee stating "The long and short of it is we have no doubt that the Toffee Ball is a simple recessive mutation and we will stand behind that with a full money back guarantee" then I get my money back!!

I am not trying to be rude at all, but that does not look like a toffee at all... if I would you, I would be emailing who ever you got those hets from and getting your full money back. Or maybe seeing if they for some reason were mistaken when they gave you the hets... and maybe marked it wrong or something... But those look like (I am pretty sure they are) Albinos.

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

Ill belive it once they mature.

Also, why do people say the Candy and Toffee are the same morph, to me they look nothing alike at all?

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Adult candy:
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...ady/candy3.jpg

Adult toffee:
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...ady/toffee.jpg

VPI's burgundy albino:
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...ndy_Albino.jpg

From the photos they all look pretty similar to me.