Need some perspective (gore)

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Originally Posted by rebeccabecca

Makes me so not want to feed live unless it's a blind baby!

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This does not happen when feeding live responsibly. The only time i have ever left a rat unattended with one of my snakes is when it wasn't even weened and didn't have its eyes opened and that way only for a few minutes and it was done with. My snake was shy and deep in shed so I figured a few minutes might coax him to eat.

Mike

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Originally Posted by rebeccabecca

Makes me so not want to feed live unless it's a blind baby!

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Feeding live can and is a very enjoyable part of owning snakes. I've fed live for eight years and I've never had any big issues. I use tongs or hemostats. What happened to this poor animal is reprehensible, because the owner of this snake was careless and left a large rat in the enclosure for an extended period of time. That snake was neglected. I do not neglect my snakes. You can feed live and not neglect them. -Sighs.- Too many snakes are injured because of irresponsible owners.

sorry if the question has arised, but i cant wrap my head around the fact that the snake did not defend its self, move, strike, something ANYTHING....

it just got chewed....

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Originally Posted by JeffJ

sorry if the question has arised, but i cant wrap my head around the fact that the snake did not defend its self, move, strike, something ANYTHING....

it just got chewed....

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im sure it did!

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Originally Posted by nixer

im sure it did!

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damn... this is why i monitor ALL my feedings, they are always with in 5 feet of me tops.

and if i hear the hopper or fuzzie getting excited i just remove it and try again later. i dont know if im paranoid but thats what i do.

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Originally Posted by JeffJ

damn... this is why i monitor ALL my feedings, they are always with in 5 feet of me tops.

and if i hear the hopper or fuzzie getting excited i just remove it and try again later. i dont know if im paranoid but thats what i do.

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Paranoid is better then injured animal. As long as that paranoia does not interfere with the husbandry of the animal.

Mike

on the other forum, the OP/rescuer/GOD, isnt posting anymore....meaning?? she deleted her account? that is a joke. y would u try to save a snake so badly hurt by yourself w/o professional help. THAT NEEDS A VET. or a freezer...no other options.

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Originally Posted by nybp

on the other forum, the OP/rescuer/GOD, isnt posting anymore....meaning?? she deleted her account? that is a joke. y would u try to save a snake so badly hurt by yourself w/o professional help. THAT NEEDS A VET. or a freezer...no other options.

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or a freezer? i don't get it.

Just for those who wish to know I got an update today and all wounds are healed up well and she is still refusing food.. Which is what I expected to happen after an attack like that. she still wants to try though.
Not saying I condone her behavior or what she has done or is trying to do but once I talked to her I did convince her to take it to a vet I know and it did recieve medical treatment. The only thing the vet said is that in these cases sometimes it will instill a fear in snakes. She is a good vet so that is why I recommended her.
I just hope after all this she does pull thru

I'm curious what the wounds being "healed up well" means. I don't see any way that the flesh would grow back around the vertebrae without it being a VERY long road (considering that the injury only happened two months ago and the pictures from a month ago still show gaping holes in the flesh.)

A friend of mine has been bugging me about my "anorexic" BP, and asking why I don't leave the rat in all night. I've always told him to do a year's research on snakes before contradicting my husbandry, but he kept bugging me. I just showed him this thread and I don't think he'll bug me again.



Really, this snake wasn't being "saved" from the freezer. It would be better off in the freezer than with someone who is going to let it die slowly. This is so wrong. If it was a person with a torn up back with their spine showing, I guarantee they would give that person all kinds of pain meds and operations and whatnot. What's the difference here? That snake is hurting and nobody is going to help it!

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Originally Posted by Crazy4Herps

A friend of mine has been bugging me about my "anorexic" BP, and asking why I don't leave the rat in all night. I've always told him to do a year's research on snakes before contradicting my husbandry, but he kept bugging me. I just showed him this thread and I don't think he'll bug me again.



Really, this snake wasn't being "saved" from the freezer. It would be better off in the freezer than with someone who is going to let it die slowly. This is so wrong. If it was a person with a torn up back with their spine showing, I guarantee they would give that person all kinds of pain meds and operations and whatnot. What's the difference here? That snake is hurting and nobody is going to help it!

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i dont get how a freezer is humane though.

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Originally Posted by JeffJ

i dont get how a freezer is humane though.

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bp = cold blooded.
cold blooded = body temp. effected by temp. around body
freezer= cold

see where im going with this

freezer lowers body temp.
low body temp. puts snake to sleep. better to fall asleep and go, then suffer infection, or chronic pain. due to stupid #$2 pet owners

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Originally Posted by JeffJ

i dont get how a freezer is humane though.

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Imagine if all your bodily functions slowed down...including pain....it would be as if your life is slowing down until you fall asleep. Almost like on TV shows where they show someone who has had too much to drink, etc...and everyone is perceived in slow motion.

Being frozen hurts us because we are endotherms and our perception stays up to par until late late into the freezing process. For ectotherms, their perception slows with their body temp, so they likely feel very little from early on in the process (I can't confirm this firsthand, obviously).

Some have advocated a fridge pre-cooling before the freezer, anyone recommend this?

JonV

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Originally Posted by katiadarling

I'm curious what the wounds being "healed up well" means. I don't see any way that the flesh would grow back around the vertebrae without it being a VERY long road (considering that the injury only happened two months ago and the pictures from a month ago still show gaping holes in the flesh.)

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What I am told is all but one wound is covered. probably the worse one.
They are putting the cream prescribed by the vet on it. All I can go on is what i am updated and I told some people back a bunch of pages I would keep the updates going. I can see if i can get some pictures again. But thats the best I can do

shadi- no worries! I'm not trying to criticize you. I just have some doubts about the purported healing process... at least they took it to a vet... but geez.

Oh I know where your comming from. I have my doubts to. but what do you do.. I did the best I could and tried my best because Morphie asked me for help. I was going to take it in and have the snake put down. but she wouldnt go for it. I still have doubts for the snake. but after all shes been thru I can hope the owner is telling me the truth. After all this is all internet talk and I have not seen it in person nor do I know who she is. I just tried to get her to listen.

Wow...that is all I can say to this level of idiocy.

I read this through for the first time last night and didn't respond because I could think of nothing to say. I still can't, but I can say that just thinking about this gave me nightmares about my feeders (I feed f/t) doing a Frankenstien's monster act and doing something like that. My wife had no idea what was going on when I sat up like that.

Bloodsong

Let me just say! This is not how normal live-feeding goes. I do it this way; I toss the food item in. Snake acts interested, and eats. or, snake is disinterested, coils up, and i remove the rodent after a few minutes.
I have never seen a rat go at a snake like that one had to have. That definately hda to have been, a starved (and probably dehydrated) rat, who would eat anything in sight fast, including another rat possibly.
So, is the snake's skin growing back and regenerating?
I am disappointed; I would have put a bullet through the poor thing's head as soon as I got it home; instant mercy killing.

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

Let me just say! This is not how normal live-feeding goes. I do it this way; I toss the food item in. Snake acts interested, and eats. or, snake is disinterested, coils up, and i remove the rodent after a few minutes.
I have never seen a rat go at a snake like that one had to have. That definately hda to have been, a starved (and probably dehydrated) rat, who would eat anything in sight fast, including another rat possibly.
So, is the snake's skin growing back and regenerating?
I am disappointed; I would have put a bullet through the poor thing's head as soon as I got it home; instant mercy killing.

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I agree. That had to be one hungry rat.
Actually, speaking of gore and hungry rats, my brother starved his pet rats once (don't worry, I kicked him hard for that) and the bigger one ate the other one... it pulled all of its organs through its mouth and ate them, leaving the hollow skin and fur. My first reaction when he told me was utter shock, but my second reaction was why didn't you show me the body??? I know it is terribly cruel and horrific, but I would have liked to see it. I am a surgeon wanna-be, so I am interested in that kind of stuff.

shadi11 - thanks for posting the updates - keep them coming if you find out more.

And, to all those who think that a freezer is a humane way to kill a snake you sould be aware that even though the Snake is cold blooded, ice crystals will form internally before death, possibly causing pain to the snake before it dies.

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Originally Posted by JeffJ

sorry if the question has arised, but i cant wrap my head around the fact that the snake did not defend its self, move, strike, something ANYTHING....

it just got chewed....

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You know, I actually had a few experiences with this. First, I had a bp that wasn't interested in the rat got almost-bit at the neck and the bp pulled back and struck. And then, I got another bp that was interested in the rat and then the rat jumped on top of her to try to get out of the feeding tank and she curled into a ball!

I can see this happen with a ball python. What I've observed with the 3 that I've owned for only a very few short months (so, yeah, I'm no expert, so take this observation with that in mind) is that my ball pythons are a little on the timid side. I have a western hognose who hisses and puffs up like a cobra and close-mouth-strikes when you put a dead rat next to him. I would think a live one next to my western hognose would probably get a heart-attack before it can take a bite. Anyway, the 3 ball pythons I have don't do that. They pretty much "sneaks up" on the rat in very slow deliberate movements. Now, I have a spider that takes all of 10 seconds to ambush and coil (very indiscriminate to where the rat gets struck) while the pastel will take a looooonnnnggg time to position herself for the perfect strike and gets the rat at the back of the neck 100% of the time. So, I can imagine that when a rat is big and aggressive, it sees the snake, finds no way out of the feeding tank, and have no other option but take a bite. The timid snake (especially if it's not interested in eating at the time) coils into a ball hiding its head under him. The rat now has free range to chew up the exposed body. At this stage, I think a fearful ball python would just stay coiled making a few jerks with his body to try to get the rat off while keeping his head protected. Leave him like that for a few hours and that picture is probably what you would get.
Of course, this is just my own logical extrapolation of what could possibly have happened with my meager knowledge of ball pythons.

Im just wow I feed live but get ready to strike the rat even if it looks even a bit hungry people can really not be civil at times

Am I missing something here? Like a photo that everyone can see that I cant.. I know Im blind, but I have my glasses on..

Maybe its cuz Im a noob 'round here, blahhh~

:snake: <- see there! I can see this snake but...

Mia ?

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Originally Posted by 1stpalindrone

Am I missing something here? Like a photo that everyone can see that I cant.. I know Im blind, but I have my glasses on..

Maybe its cuz Im a noob 'round here, blahhh~

:snake: <- see there! I can see this snake but...

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Old thread over 2years old, OP likely cleaned up their photobucket hence no picture :rolleyes:

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a...Necromancy.jpg

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Old thread over 2years old, OP likely cleaned up their photobucket hence no picture :rolleyes:

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a...Necromancy.jpg

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Ahh, I kinda wondered 'bout that.. Thx for the insight~;)

they took the pic off becouse it look bad. and gorey

Google images rat bitten ball python first one. It isn't the image missing here at least I don't think it is... but it is one of many like it out there, it happens, the thread is valid either way, pick an image and hold it in your mind as you read the thread.