My dealings with MKR

i know jamie... the morphs here http://www.8ballpythons.com/allavailable.htm are so not gorgeous and i'mdroolingoverthemrightnowsocan'ttypeanymore....

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

i know jamie... the morphs here http://www.8ballpythons.com/allavailable.htm are so not gorgeous and i'mdroolingoverthemrightnowsocan'ttypeanymore....

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Ugly crap!! :D

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Originally Posted by JLC

If any of our members are so passionate about MKR that they can't tolerate the fact that most of their fellow members of BP.net will steadfastly stand against their business practices....then maybe they should rethink which forums they want to invest their time and emotional energies on. This is not to say that ANYbody is unwelcomed here...because that is not the case at all. I would be deeply saddened to see ANY of our members feeling as if they should leave. But if you're not comfortable with the stance of the majority... :confuzd:

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I agree 100%.
I was a member on reptileforums.com until Wes Harris became a mod of the BP forum.
All of a sudden Tim Bowles and Bobby Pruett registered and were praising the animals they got from MKR.
There are now banner ads for MKR and the forums are all praising how MKR is revolutionizing the industry.
I will not visit that board anymore.

Not only do I not care for the way MKR conducts their business but I also do not care for how they act in public on forums. That and the fact that ANYONE who associates with the likes of Bowles and Pruett are screwed up.
Those two wouldn't even get a corn snake from me even if they offerred $1M for it. I refuse to deal with people like them.
MKR has no problem because they only care about the money and it doesn't matter who gives it to them.

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Originally Posted by bpkid

Well I can assure you saving a few bucks isn't the top priority of mine. I am mesmerized everytime I see one of their morphs and I beleive they have good quality animals along with great customer service...

Have a good day

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What a load of crap.
The ONLY reason you bought from MKR is because of price.

No one would support MKR based upon their actions and statements except for the people who only think about saving a few bucks.

Low price is ALL that matters to MKR customers. The ethics of the business they are supporting mean nothing to those customers as long as the price is cheaper.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Exactly right! If you feel that strongly about MKR, their forum is probably a welcome place to be. I'm not going to bring MKR up in every thread that she posts from now on, but, I will be completely honest and say that I think anyone that buys from MKR after hearing and seeing what they are doing to the market isn't someone I want to have anything to do with. Getting a bargain basement price is great but in the end, it isn't the only thing. Quality animals from breeders that want to support you and your future are where its at. If you (and by you I mean the short list of people who don't appear to have the capability or desire to consider the facts and who continue to support sleaze) put saving a few bucks at the top of your list of priorities as a breeder, then you are doomed to fail. For those of you that consider this post harsh, sorry you are offended. I have very strong feelings about the situation as do most of the other people on this forum that are disgusted by MKR and their lack of ethics.

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Exactly right.:rockon:

I would giving you positive rep points for this one but it says I need to spread some around before I can give them to you again.:eek:

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Originally Posted by SPJ

Low price is ALL that matters to MKR customers.

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That's why I paid $10k for my stripe rather than the $7.5k almost everyone else asks for them, right?

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Originally Posted by SPJ

The ethics of the business they are supporting mean nothing to those customers as long as the price is cheaper.

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Again, price had nothing to do with it. And before you start saying things about my ethics, I called them about the stripe before the whole deal with the mojaves and such, so I had no idea about what was going on at the time. Blanket statements like that really are not called for because there is absolutely no way you know the motives of every one of their customers.

You bought the stripe prior to all this garbage. No one will have a problem with that.




If however, you buy from them now after all that has gone on, then you are ONLY interested in price and ethics mean nothing.

No ethical person would support a business that publicly threatens to put small time breeders out of business and states they are pissed at bigger breeders and want to hurt them in the wallet unless PRICE was all you cared about when making a purchase.

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Originally Posted by SPJ

You bought the stripe prior to all this garbage. No one will have a problem with that.

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I know. I just didn't like how you said that it was true about all MKR customers.

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Originally Posted by SPJ

If however, you buy from them now after all that has gone on, then you are ONLY interested in price and ethics mean nothing.

No ethical person would support a business that publicly threatens to put small time breeders out of business and states they are pissed at bigger breeders and want to hurt them in the wallet unless PRICE was all you cared about when making a purchase.

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It isn't done being payed off just yet, which is a slight problem for me. Half of me wants to go cancel because of all of the crap that's been going down, but I don't really think it would be right for me to go back out after they have been holding it for me all this time. That and it is a damn good stripe and it would take me forever to find another as nice as it.

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Originally Posted by RedDevil

I know. I just didn't like how you said that it was true about all MKR customers.



It isn't done being payed off just yet, which is a slight problem for me. Half of me wants to go cancel because of all of the crap that's been going down, but I don't really think it would be right for me to go back out after they have been holding it for me all this time. That and it is a damn good stripe and it would take me forever to find another as nice as it.

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If you are already in the middle of a payment plan, odds are you wouldn't get a refund of what you had already paid anyway. According to their TOS:

Deposits are non - refundable, unless we are unable to fill your order in which case at your discretion, we can roll your order over to the next year or refund your deposit.

So you might as well pay it off and be done with them. Best of luck and I hope you get what you want out of it!

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Originally Posted by bpkid

Well I can assure you saving a few bucks isn't the top priority of mine. I am mesmerized everytime I see one of their morphs and I beleive they have good quality animals along with great customer service...

Have a good day

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Unfortunately due to your age (nothing you can do about that), you have yet to learn the "value of a dollar" (IMO) and most will think that for you cheap is better, since you may have to ask your parents for the money (not sure if your parents share your passion for snakes). Right now you probably don't understand why a lot of people feel the way they do, but once you get out into the real world, work full time and fully support yourself, you'll understand what is going on (from the breeders standpoint as well as business ethics).
I'm sure you'll get a better handle on things once you experience life on your own.
Anyway, just my :2cent: .

I say complete the deal. You made a comittment before this garbage and no one should say anything about it.


Some will say bail and others will say complete it.

It's kinda like a catch 22.

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Originally Posted by RockSolid

Unfortunately due to your age (nothing you can do about that), you have yet to learn the "value of a dollar" (IMO) and most will think that for you cheap is better, since you may have to ask your parents for the money (not sure if your parents share your passion for snakes). Right now you probably don't understand why a lot of people feel the way they do, but once you get out into the real world, work full time and fully support yourself, you'll understand what is going on (from the breeders standpoint as well as business ethics).
I'm sure you'll get a better handle on things once you experience life on your own.
Anyway, just my :2cent: .

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And I respect that fully.



JUST TO CLEAR THAT UP

My mom would never let me use her money to buy snakes! LOL. It comes out of my pocket!lol.

I am waiting until next year when I can legally get a job with this Mom and Pop resturaunt by my house ;)

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Originally Posted by jglass38

If you are already in the middle of a payment plan, odds are you wouldn't get a refund of what you had already paid anyway. According to their TOS:

Deposits are non - refundable, unless we are unable to fill your order in which case at your discretion, we can roll your order over to the next year or refund your deposit.

So you might as well pay it off and be done with them. Best of luck and I hope you get what you want out of it!

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Ha. So thats what they say, well guess what? I was doing a payment plan with them and then I lost my job and Wes and Joe were more than happy to give me my deposit back on a payment plan. I did not have one grip out of them. They are cool people and I will buy from them with confidence. I dont really see them dropping the bomb on the ressecive genes anytime soon atleast not the het lavendar pair I will probably get from them in 2007. Thanx!

-Andre

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Originally Posted by Regal Boids

Ha. So thats what they say, well guess what? I was doing a payment plan with them and then I lost my job and Wes and Joe were more than happy to give me my deposit back on a payment plan. I did not have one grip out of them. They are cool people and I will buy from them with confidence. I dont really see them dropping the bomb on the ressecive genes anytime soon atleast not the het lavendar pair I will probably get from them in 2007. Thanx!

-Andre

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Riiight...I buy it! I wouldn't expect you to listen to me Andre. You didn't listen to me when you instant messaged me asking all kinds of questions about quarantining new animals. I told you minimum of 60 days and preferably 90 days. You kept asking me whether you could quarantine them in the same rack. Why would you begin listening now?

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Originally Posted by Regal Boids

I dont really see them dropping the bomb on the ressecive genes anytime soon atleast not the het lavendar pair I will probably get from them in 2007. Thanx!

-Andre

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Wait until nex year when they unload the lucies.

red devil, i say do what you feel is right. your gut feeling is probably the right choice for you.


i live my life by doing what i think is right, i sleep well at night and can look myself in the mirror in the morning and be confident i'm living right!

i don't do anything that i'll feel guilty or remorse over later. it just isn't worth the weight on my own conscience.

that's just me and how i am, people are different and that's what makes life interesting.


support breeders who support you and your goals!




vaughn

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Riiight...I buy it! I wouldn't expect you to listen to me Andre. You didn't listen to me when you instant messaged me asking all kinds of questions about quarantining new animals. I told you minimum of 60 days and preferably 90 days. You kept asking me whether you could quarantine them in the same rack. Why would you begin listening now?

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And when did I instant message you?


-Andre

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Originally Posted by SPJ

Wait until nex year when they unload the lucies.

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I am pretty sure lucies are not recessive!


-Andre

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I just want to say that We produce our own snakes and in high volume and keep most of them. We are also the largest in the world. THe reason why I say that is that all the 2nd level breeders didn't want to give us credit and we are larger than everyone now. Come and see.:) People that do say you have more than you said and I smile...:) I am so terrible? I am bringing this to the next level. I am going to be here to sell your kids snakes. We are solid and only getting stronger and stronger. We have no debt and own everything. I am for the consumer not for people making unneccessary money on them. Did the same thing in the car business. I am so terrible but I don't want people to screw the public. So if you disagree I and everyone else sees what you want to do the public. Codoms aren't rare. Get over it. If you guys sold them the way you wanted it ruin the market and be gone because everyone would have felt they are screwed which most do now. Only middle man feel that way here. I am not a mobster I am a business man. I am for my customers and the buying public. Tha is who you people serve. They make the decision to buy. You guys think you are in control and the customer is. I am loved and embraced by my customers and it shows in my sales. I take care of them and I love them and embrace them back that is why. Ask them. If I were so terrible how come I sell most of the snakes. I do it is a fact. The best prices and service. Tons of small breeders are selling snakes too. Which is great. They are matching the prices on the codoms or even beating them Free enetrprise that is what America is all about. No complaints. JUst form the people taht haven't bought that will eventually or pay too much. I help my customers sell, advertise and I protect them as you can see. What is everyone else doing? Trying to get oo much fior thier codoms. Please the next tv segment is gfoing to be a ripper but it is about we are here to stay people..:) This is wehat I want to do with my life now. This has been my vison from the begining to bring it to the public and get more. THere ae great investments out there which I will touch on. Not just not big money on the unrare stuff. It is more than price. It is integrity and no consumer complaints. I am going to do a dance for the public and it is for lowering prices on codoms:carrot: . I dig it. I might even do it on my show. Thanks and I know I have alot fans here and I appreciate tht. We are just two regular guys breeding ball pythons who don't think we are something special. This is business and the ball python future is huge. You jsut have to be honest and fly straight or the consumer will be the one to bblow you off the map. That is the truth.

Joe at MKR

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Originally Posted by Regal Boids

And when did I instant message you?


-Andre

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Please don't make me post the whole message exchange (drepimp6)

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Originally Posted by SPJ

I say complete the deal. You made a comittment before this garbage and no one should say anything about it.


Some will say bail and others will say complete it.

It's kinda like a catch 22.

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I'm going to complete the purchase. It is pretty sad, though. I honestly do like Joe and Wes, but the whole putting Ed/Ian/Oz out of business crap along with the threats to kill the market were a little too much for my tastes.

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Originally Posted by RedDevil

I'm going to complete the purchase. It is pretty sad, though. I honestly do like Joe and Wes, but the whole putting Ed/Ian/Oz out of business crap along with the threats to kill the market were a little too much for my tastes.

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Well - Joe's on the board now - ask him if you can get your money back :salute:

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Originally Posted by BP's Rock

Well - Joe's on the board now - ask him if you can get your money back :salute:

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Like I said. I really want that stripe. I might have asked it if I thought I could find another that I liked that much.

Joe will you please answer this question?

In your video, why do you say "price your codoms at what you want and i'll be there to pricem right underneath ya"

You're implying that If i buy some co-doms from you, raise them up and breed them, the codoms that I attempt to sell, you will stab me in the back and price them under what I am trying to sell them for.

Why would I support that?

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Originally Posted by JoeCaponeIIIMKR

Guys,
I just want to say that We produce our own snakes and in high volume and keep most of them. We are also the largest in the world. THe reason why I say that is that all the 2nd level breeders didn't want to give us credit and we are larger than everyone now. Come and see.:) People that do say you have more than you said and I smile...:) I am so terrible? I am bringing this to the next level. I am going to be here to sell your kids snakes. We are solid and only getting stronger and stronger. We have no debt and own everything. I am for the consumer not for people making unneccessary money on them. Did the same thing in the car business. I am so terrible but I don't want people to screw the public. So if you disagree I and everyone else sees what you want to do the public. Codoms aren't rare. Get over it. If you guys sold them the way you wanted it ruin the market and be gone because everyone would have felt they are screwed which most do now. Only middle man feel that way here. I am not a mobster I am a business man. I am for my customers and the buying public. Tha is who you people serve. They make the decision to buy. You guys think you are in control and the customer is. I am loved and embraced by my customers and it shows in my sales. I take care of them and I love them and embrace them back that is why. Ask them. If I were so terrible how come I sell most of the snakes. I do it is a fact. The best prices and service. Tons of small breeders are selling snakes too. Which is great. They are matching the prices on the codoms or even beating them Free enetrprise that is what America is all about. No complaints. JUst form the people taht haven't bought that will eventually or pay too much. I help my customers sell, advertise and I protect them as you can see. What is everyone else doing? Trying to get oo much fior thier codoms. Please the next tv segment is gfoing to be a ripper but it is about we are here to stay people..:) This is wehat I want to do with my life now. This has been my vison from the begining to bring it to the public and get more. THere ae great investments out there which I will touch on. Not just not big money on the unrare stuff. It is more than price. It is integrity and no consumer complaints. I am going to do a dance for the public and it is for lowering prices on codoms:carrot: . I dig it. I might even do it on my show. Thanks and I know I have alot fans here and I appreciate tht. We are just two regular guys breeding ball pythons who don't think we are something special. This is business and the ball python future is huge. You jsut have to be honest and fly straight or the consumer will be the one to bblow you off the map. That is the truth.

Joe at MKR

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Great Post Joe!!! Tell it how it is my man!!!

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Originally Posted by bpkid

Well I can assure you saving a few bucks isn't the top priority of mine. I am mesmerized everytime I see one of their morphs and I beleive they have good quality animals along with great customer service...

Have a good day

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:confuzd:

But on another thread, you agreed with me when I showed MKR clowns vs. EBN clowns that MKR clowns were not even close in quality?

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Originally Posted by bpkid

You are right about the quality of clowns then. I apologize for arguing about that.

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The only reason that I can see someone would choose MKR is based on price only. Joe may be super nice on the phone when talking sales - that's his job. But his behavior on the BOI and that of Steve (Ghost) here and on BOI don't cast a good light on MKR and as Joe as much as said - they will sell less than anyone - that inlcudes YOU when you start selling the offspring.

I like to remember for myself - you are the company you keep. If MKR continues to antagonize other breeders, their peers, so that no one wants to do any trades or sell them snakes - do you really want to be a vocal supporter of them and be associated with them? And when people ask the genetics of your snakes that you are selling, are you going to proudly proclaim MKR when, like it or not - there are a LOT of people who have decided that they will not support MKR's actions and likewise, will not purchase known MKR stock offspring?

I'm THRILLED that you guys are happy with your transaction, but other than pricing, I can't see why anyone would want to be associated with them. They are rude and abrasive, not someone I'd want to be associated with.

But that's just me, and I'll still respect you, and I'll still celebrate with you when you hatch your first animals, but I doubt I'd buy from you or trade with you (you being anyone who is buying MKR these days). Like Jhall said - it's not personal, it's business. I want only the best stock I can get, and I don't consider mass breeding without consideration for selective breeding to be the best stock.

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Originally Posted by JoeCaponeIIIMKR

Come and see.:) People that do say you have more than you said and I smile...

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I did ask to come and see last year - because I was going to be in OK visiting family, and you e-mailed me back and said you don't allow visitors, but did offer me a snake to bring back with me (but I was flying, so that was out).

And just a few more questions that I am curious about

Why do you publicly state that you are going to put small time breeders out of business?

Why do you keep making references to you being a car salesman? Car salesman have one thing on their mind...$$$ How many can I sell this month?

Why do you refer to your snakes as "products"?

Why have you publicly stated that you are out to crash the ball python AND now the gecko market?

Why are no prices listed on your web site?

Why were you kicked off KingSnake?

Why do you keep telling everyone how much money you've made? and how big you are? That should be your customer’s job.

Every day I listen to the radio, every commercial break has a car commercial. Every car dealership claims to be the biggest, the best, have the best deal, find a deal and they'll beat it. What is the purpose? Sales and making money. One of my best friends is an ex car salesman and he said he got out of the business a long time ago because people in that business will run over you and not think twice about what they're doing. It's a money driven industry, and now you're bringing your car salesman techniques to the ball python world and it is not cute. "299 down! 299 a month for 4 months! that's unbelievable!!!!" It really isn't.

Joe maybe you do have good snakes....or perhaps I should say Wes does. After all, you are the middle man in the business...Wes raises the snakes (as you said in the video), and you sell them to the customer (making you the middle man). But the fact is you have an ego that completely disgusts me. All the references to you being a business man, you being the biggest and the best, you selling $750,000 worth of snakes in 15 weeks...all that crap bothers me.

Joe, I don't think this industry needs someone like you. The snakes sell themselves.

I'm new to the ball python world. I've never once bred a pair of snakes. I am one of the "little guys" that you are out to sell snakes to at a cheap price so they can get started, and then turn right around and cut the price in half of the snake you just sold me.

Know this. I will never do business with you Joe. Snakes are NOT cars! Based on your video, your comments on other threads, and your comments on this forum, I think your only motive in this industry is money. Will I pay extra for the same snake from a different breeder? You better believe I will. I will always take my business to someone who has a moral obligation to my hobby.

I have formed my opinion on you and your business based on your own words, not others words. It is nice to know that I am not the only one who sees straight through your shallow sales tactics. There is another thread on this forum that asks if anyone would do business with you….the results are (as of right now) 55% of the people would NOT do business with you. Think about that for a second…OVER half of the people who voted will NOT do business with you!! You have given a lot of people multiple reasons to not do business with you…And that is an old thread…it was started before you and your employee Steve screwed yourselves over. There are a lot of people on this board, as well as other boards that despise you and your ethics and tactics. If I were in your position, I would zip my pants up and stop pissing into the wind.

Sell your snakes and not yourself. My business is going elsewhere. I’ll gladly pay more than what you think it’s worth. It’s not all about money to me.

You might claim to be the biggest and the best and have the most sales Joe, but in the back of your mind you also have to remember that you’re also the most hated.

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Originally Posted by JoeCaponeIIIMKR

Guys,
I just want to say that We produce our own snakes and in high volume and keep most of them. We are also the largest in the world. THe reason why I say that is that all the 2nd level breeders didn't want to give us credit and we are larger than everyone now. Come and see.:) People that do say you have more than you said and I smile...:) I am so terrible? I am bringing this to the next level. I am going to be here to sell your kids snakes. We are solid and only getting stronger and stronger. We have no debt and own everything. I am for the consumer not for people making unneccessary money on them. Did the same thing in the car business. I am so terrible but I don't want people to screw the public. So if you disagree I and everyone else sees what you want to do the public. Codoms aren't rare. Get over it. If you guys sold them the way you wanted it ruin the market and be gone because everyone would have felt they are screwed which most do now. Only middle man feel that way here. I am not a mobster I am a business man. I am for my customers and the buying public. Tha is who you people serve. They make the decision to buy. You guys think you are in control and the customer is. I am loved and embraced by my customers and it shows in my sales. I take care of them and I love them and embrace them back that is why. Ask them. If I were so terrible how come I sell most of the snakes. I do it is a fact. The best prices and service. Tons of small breeders are selling snakes too. Which is great. They are matching the prices on the codoms or even beating them Free enetrprise that is what America is all about. No complaints. JUst form the people taht haven't bought that will eventually or pay too much. I help my customers sell, advertise and I protect them as you can see. What is everyone else doing? Trying to get oo much fior thier codoms. Please the next tv segment is gfoing to be a ripper but it is about we are here to stay people..:) This is wehat I want to do with my life now. This has been my vison from the begining to bring it to the public and get more. THere ae great investments out there which I will touch on. Not just not big money on the unrare stuff. It is more than price. It is integrity and no consumer complaints. I am going to do a dance for the public and it is for lowering prices on codoms:carrot: . I dig it. I might even do it on my show. Thanks and I know I have alot fans here and I appreciate tht. We are just two regular guys breeding ball pythons who don't think we are something special. This is business and the ball python future is huge. You jsut have to be honest and fly straight or the consumer will be the one to bblow you off the map. That is the truth.

Joe at MKR

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To finally make a statement on such a heated thread and not even proofread is enough to make me not want to do business with you. Attention to detail must not be something you care for.

You can't monopolize a market in which people will not support your endeavors. Boycotts are a very effective, and I hope the bp community will come to its senses and realize they're drowning themselves by supporting you.

I being 22, working full time, going to college and saving what few pennies I have to expand my collection is a very hard thing for me to do. With the way things are going, I won't even be able to support the growth of my hobby through my own small time breeding endeavors. I as part of the public, do not thank you, nor do I believe you give a crap about the "public".

You don't see anybody in OPEC doing what you did. No no, in that cartel you would be killed for dumping your Oil below market prices.

this is for Joe Capone,

i have some questions for you. i'd like some answers.


what was your motive or point to the gecko breeders in this post? why do you feel the need to threaten people?

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how is ian involved in this matter? why do you have both barrels cocked and pointed at ian? have you ever met ian? do you think sort of behavoir is professional?

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why do you have and show so much hate towards middleman? what have they done to you personally? you claim to have made $750,000 in 15 days! is this not enough sales? are there not enough customers in ball pythons for us all to get along?

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does mkr wholesale any ball pythons to anyone in the us or europe for them to resell? does mkr buy and resell animals?

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if someone disagrees or doesn't have the same values or business plan as you do, do you feel the need to treat them like this?

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i personally find the bullying tactics low and not very pleasing. so what if you have more money or more balls than me. to most of us this is a hobby we enjoy. this kind of behavoir takes the fun out of it and puts a bad light on the hobby in general, imo.

speaking of being the biggest and the best ball breeder, the "best" is of opinion. everyone has their own.

as to the biggest, will you share some info. will you tell us how many snakes you have? breeders? number of clutches? i really am curious as to who the biggest in quantity really is.

i would really appreciate some answers from you alone joe. it would help us all to maybe see your opinions and views on all this.

i am also curious as to why you joined this forum and what are your intentions on this site?


thanks for your time,


vaughn

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:confuzd:

But on another thread, you agreed with me when I showed MKR clowns vs. EBN clowns that MKR clowns were not even close in quality?



The only reason that I can see someone would choose MKR is based on price only. Joe may be super nice on the phone when talking sales - that's his job. But his behavior on the BOI and that of Steve (Ghost) here and on BOI don't cast a good light on MKR and as Joe as much as said - they will sell less than anyone - that inlcudes YOU when you start selling the offspring.

I like to remember for myself - you are the company you keep. If MKR continues to antagonize other breeders, their peers, so that no one wants to do any trades or sell them snakes - do you really want to be a vocal supporter of them and be associated with them? And when people ask the genetics of your snakes that you are selling, are you going to proudly proclaim MKR when, like it or not - there are a LOT of people who have decided that they will not support MKR's actions and likewise, will not purchase known MKR stock offspring?

I'm THRILLED that you guys are happy with your transaction, but other than pricing, I can't see why anyone would want to be associated with them. They are rude and abrasive, not someone I'd want to be associated with.

But that's just me, and I'll still respect you, and I'll still celebrate with you when you hatch your first animals, but I doubt I'd buy from you or trade with you (you being anyone who is buying MKR these days). Like Jhall said - it's not personal, it's business. I want only the best stock I can get, and I don't consider mass breeding without consideration for selective breeding to be the best stock.

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yes but clowns are only one morph.If I want one, I would buy from EBN. MKR makes much more than clowns. Have you seen pics of their bumblebees?? Amazing.

Great post Vaughn. :gj:

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yes but clowns are only one morph.If I want one, I would buy from EBN. MKR makes much more than clowns. Have you seen pics of their bumblebees?? Amazing.

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I do not agree that the quality of their morphs are superior to other, more reputable breeders out there. Did you forget about NERD, who were the ones who first created bumblebees?

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I do not agree that the quality of their morphs are superior to other, more reputable breeders out there. Did you forget about NERD, who were the ones who first created bumblebees?

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And have you seen Adam's bumblebees? :tongue2:

Two of the nicest examples of the morph I've ever seen!

But in answer to your question BPkid - I see pictures as in their collection - but none for sale, so I can't comment on what they are offering for sale. But the ones that are part of their personal collection are nice looking (but Adam's are nicer! LOL)

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And have you seen Adam's bumblebees? :tongue2:

Two of the nicest examples of the morph I've ever seen!

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Held both of them in my hands...good thing I brought a change of shorts!

link? I dont see bumblebees on adams site.

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And just a few more questions that I am curious about

Why do you publicly state that you are going to put small time breeders out of business?

Why do you keep making references to you being a car salesman? Car salesman have one thing on their mind...$$$ How many can I sell this month?

Why do you refer to your snakes as "products"?

Why have you publicly stated that you are out to crash the ball python AND now the gecko market?

Why are no prices listed on your web site?

Why were you kicked off KingSnake?

Why do you keep telling everyone how much money you've made? and how big you are? That should be your customer’s job.

Every day I listen to the radio, every commercial break has a car commercial. Every car dealership claims to be the biggest, the best, have the best deal, find a deal and they'll beat it. What is the purpose? Sales and making money. One of my best friends is an ex car salesman and he said he got out of the business a long time ago because people in that business will run over you and not think twice about what they're doing. It's a money driven industry, and now you're bringing your car salesman techniques to the ball python world and it is not cute. "299 down! 299 a month for 4 months! that's unbelievable!!!!" It really isn't.

Joe maybe you do have good snakes....or perhaps I should say Wes does. After all, you are the middle man in the business...Wes raises the snakes (as you said in the video), and you sell them to the customer (making you the middle man). But the fact is you have an ego that completely disgusts me. All the references to you being a business man, you being the biggest and the best, you selling $750,000 worth of snakes in 15 weeks...all that crap bothers me.

Joe, I don't think this industry needs someone like you. The snakes sell themselves.

I'm new to the ball python world. I've never once bred a pair of snakes. I am one of the "little guys" that you are out to sell snakes to at a cheap price so they can get started, and then turn right around and cut the price in half of the snake you just sold me.

Know this. I will never do business with you Joe. Snakes are NOT cars! Based on your video, your comments on other threads, and your comments on this forum, I think your only motive in this industry is money. Will I pay extra for the same snake from a different breeder? You better believe I will. I will always take my business to someone who has a moral obligation to my hobby.

I have formed my opinion on you and your business based on your own words, not others words. It is nice to know that I am not the only one who sees straight through your shallow sales tactics. There is another thread on this forum that asks if anyone would do business with you….the results are (as of right now) 55% of the people would NOT do business with you. Think about that for a second…OVER half of the people who voted will NOT do business with you!! You have given a lot of people multiple reasons to not do business with you…And that is an old thread…it was started before you and your employee Steve screwed yourselves over. There are a lot of people on this board, as well as other boards that despise you and your ethics and tactics. If I were in your position, I would zip my pants up and stop pissing into the wind.

Sell your snakes and not yourself. My business is going elsewhere. I’ll gladly pay more than what you think it’s worth. It’s not all about money to me.

You might claim to be the biggest and the best and have the most sales Joe, but in the back of your mind you also have to remember that you’re also the most hated.

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I couldnt of said it better myself! (i bet he dosnt answer any of these questions)

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link? I dont see bumblebees on adams site.

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We're special. He posted em here... http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=36429

thx Christie. :)

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https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/files/1/3/5/3/derr.gif

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I'd just like to point out that this animated gif moves perfectly in time to INXS 'Devil Inside'.

Coincidence? ;) :P

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Coincidence? ;) :P

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I think not

...but if you ACT NOW, we are gonna throw in a corn snake AND a gecko. Thats right. Not only will we beat any competitors price, but we are gonna throw in TWO, thats right, TWO FREE REPTILES. Cash in on this fantastic deal while you still can. Operators are standing by. We have already sold 1500 units, folks. Act Now!

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...but if you ACT NOW, we are gonna throw in a corn snake AND a gecko. Thats right. Not only will we beat any competitors price, but we are gonna throw in TWO, thats right, TWO FREE REPTILES. Cash in on this fantastic deal while you still can. Operators are standing by. We have already sold 1500 units, folks. Act Now!

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Be dialing people!! Remember Don West!? Love it! Do a search on youtube for Don West and note the similarities...

and let's not forgot the seafoam green shoes!!! a free pair for every order over $20!!!

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Be dialing people!! Remember Don West!? Love it! Do a search on youtube for Don West and note the similarities...

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Was he the one on QVC who got all gung-ho about selling things and ended up swearing on-air and getting fired? LOL. My man does a rad imitation of that guy.

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Was he the one on QVC who got all gung-ho about selling things and ended up swearing on-air and getting fired? LOL. My man does a rad imitation of that guy.

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I think so! He rocks...

I just completed reading this whole thread, wow lots of venom on both sides of the fence. dont let it make you go against people that you have met on this site, chatted with and made friends with. I dont agree with the MKR mentality, but chose to take it to the BOI to discuss this issue. lets not turn this very friendly site into another , well you know what.


Morph King Reptiles seems to be doing enought damage to themselves. :salute:

I know; who cares really where we buy our snakes. As long as they're taken care of well, and pictures are posted often, and yuo're a good contributing member.. we each know where we'll allow our money to be spent (I sure do!)

Wow, I get negative reputation for expressing my OPPINION!!!! You couldn't even put your name who ever gave it to me!!!

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Wow, I get negative reputation for expressing my OPPINION!!!! You couldn't even put your name who ever gave it to me!!!

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what does the rep say? if the negative rep point serves no purpose then report it to an admin to have it removed