Adelita - 2019 Hypo Sonoran

Thanks guys, and thanks for the tip Caitlin!

I was worried that it might be a stress rub at first, back in February. Given that the rubbing now seems to only happen a) in the spring and fall and b) when she's fed, though, I think it might be more of a hunting-based thing. I'm pretty sure I read something in one of Vin's books that said peak Sonoran boa feeding season is in the late summer-fall, so that would explain the seasonality of the pushing. She was also fed a little more frequently in October (back to the 7-10 day schedule), since the mice I had on hand were undersized for her and it looked like she was getting a wee bit skinny. It looks like the above activated her hunting behavior a little too well and created a pushy little monster!

Her natural curiosity seems to be a factor as well. When I leave one of her cage doors open so she can sit on the ledge and look out into the room, she calms down immediately and stops pushing. On top of looking for food, it seems like she just wants to be able to poke her head out of her cage and hang out. Not sure how I'm going to deal with that last part long-term. For now, I may leave her cage door open while I'm in the room at night -- my flat's ambients are right in the cool side/night drop range, so it doesn't hurt to leave her door open a bit.

The "bumpers" didn't end up working out (see below), so I'm treating her nose and trying a little something different tonight. She'll get what will hopefully be her last meal of the season ahead of cool down tomorrow. Hopefully she'll calm down after that!

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It looks like someone finally decided to calm down and stop pushing! It looks like shoving one of the rags that was sitting in my old barn bag into the door jam did the trick.

You can see where she rubbed herself pretty clearly, as well as the spots where I had to apply Neosporin the first time she rubbed her snout. Thankfully a gentle cleansing with some betadine seems to be doing enough on its own this time. Hopefully I won't need to apply Neosporin again -- I'd rather not risk messing up her scales a second time.

Since she settled down, I've decided to put off feeding her. Once she does her business I'll start dropping her temps proper. How long she winds up fasting is more or less up to her -- if she looks like she's getting skinny, she'll get a small meal and a couple of warm days to digest it.

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Adelita got her last meal of the year last Monday and promptly spent all of Thanksgiving week in a food coma. Getting bumped up a prey item size (or at least, the equivalent of that) will do that to you! The fact that she's now in shed may have contributed to her extended nap on her heat.

She also got a cage cleaning today, so she's now enjoying herself poking around and smelling all the new smells. The next time she starts pushing and begging to be let out, I may just have to try cleaning and/or rearranging her cage. That always seems to occupy her for a couple of days.

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"... what, human?"

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Somebody's looking and feeling nice after a perfect shed last night. The pictures don't do her justice - her colors are a little washed out here.

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Managed to get some nicer pictures of Adelita that better show her off post-shed. She's looking quite lovely right now, and her scales still feel and look fresh and smooth. It was a much nicer shed than her previous one, all in all.

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Someone's been extra photogenic the past few days!

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I love the pattern!!!

That’s beautiful !!


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She's a knock-out! :love:

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Somebody was looking slightly on the lean side, so she got a special Christmas/New Year's feast. Needless to say, she was very happy!

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Somebody was looking slightly on the lean side, so she got a special Christmas/New Year's feast. Needless to say, she was very happy!

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Looking good! I’ve been tempted to bring my critters out of winter fasting but still trying to hold off another couple weeks. Started bringing up nighttime ambient temp in the room this week. Once we’re around 75° at night I’ll start feeding again. Only one that’s looking a little lean is my male Brisbane carpet but not by much at all.


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Looking good! I’ve been tempted to bring my critters out of winter fasting but still trying to hold off another couple weeks. Started bringing up nighttime ambient temp in the room this week. Once we’re around 75° at night I’ll start feeding again. Only one that’s looking a little lean is my male Brisbane carpet but not by much at all.

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I was hoping to put off feeding another week or two myself, but snake biology had other plans. A season of cooler temps and reduced feeding is better than nothing, though. At least her body's had/having some time to rest.

Prep and execution could have gone better, but considering this is my first time seasonally cycling snakes, I'm not that disappointed with myself. It's been a good learning experience and I have a much clearer picture in my head for what I want to do next year. Fall ended up sneaking up on me, so I just have to be a remember to start the pre-winter "feed up" and shortening the photoperiod and heat-day (ie. how long "day heat" is on) a bit earlier.

For what it's worth, Kuzco (the longi) is doing great and looks like he can hold off feeding for a while longer. He actually went into the season with a wee bit of chub and that definitely seemed to help body condition-wise. Adelita didn't have that extra bit of reserve energy, so she started getting lean by the time her first major growth spurt was up.

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I was hoping to put off feeding another week or two myself, but snake biology had other plans. A season of cooler temps and reduced feeding is better than nothing, though. At least her body's had/having some time to rest.

Prep and execution could have gone better, but considering this is my first time seasonally cycling snakes, I'm not that disappointed with myself. It's been a good learning experience and I have a much clearer picture in my head for what I want to do next year. Fall ended up sneaking up on me, so I just have to be a remember to start the pre-winter "feed up" and shortening the photoperiod and heat-day (ie. how long "day heat" is on) a bit earlier.

For what it's worth, Kuzco (the longi) is doing great and looks like he can hold off feeding for a while longer. He actually went into the season with a wee bit of chub and that definitely seemed to help body condition-wise. Adelita didn't have that extra bit of reserve energy, so she started getting lean by the time her first major growth spurt was up.

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First time for me as well. Also been a fun learning experience and certainly some things I'll do different next year. I may actually stop feeding and start cooling later as I always forget how warm it stays in Mississippi. A bit of a challenge to get the room down to 70 on some nights. I'll probably feed sooner than the next couple weeks for a couple critters. Everyone honestly looks pretty good after 8 weeks of fasting and the boas look phenomenal. Still would like to keep things as "natural" as one can with a snake living in a plastic box. As Vin Russo said in a Morelia Python Radio podcast once in regards to cycling neonate/juvenile animals, "The sun doesn't shine more on you because you're a baby."

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She's got the most adorable little blush on her cheeks right now. Full and content curled up on her heat.

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Adelita was not happy that her brother got fed without her. She restarted her little begging routine while staring at me with eyes the size of dinner plates until I caved and fed her this morning. I only had one last small mouse on hand, so of course she's still begging for more. Time for someone to get bumped up to adult mice!

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Oh, you "meanie"! Starving that poor little snek... Just look at those pupils! ;) LOL

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Quite the position you've put yourself in, miss.

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Somebody's perfected "the look." Never expected having a snake that would so openly beg for food like this, but here we are!

Luckily for her an order of fresh feeders arrived from Perfect Prey yesterday. I was a bit worried that the adult mice I ordered her would be too large, but the one she got today didn't leave much of a lump when it went down the hatch. There's a couple of rat pups waiting for her, too, so she'll get introduced to rat fairly soon.

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She is soooooo freaking beautiful.


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Most of my boas do this, so funny ain't it [emoji23][emoji23][emoji1787]
She's looking so nice

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Put out a little basket of snake-friendly "toys" and a mini office crate for the boas to climb on today. Adelita didn't care much for the crate, but she did enjoy climbing on the basket. She's still pretty pudgy from her last feeding, though, so she wasn't as pokey as usual and went straight to her heat for a nap afterwords. I have a feeling she'll be leaving me a not-so-little "present" soon!

The old rub on her nose also seems to be healing back well, albeit darker and a bit discolored compared to the rest of her facial scales. I recently got her some of the reptile formula Vetericyn and it seems to be working wonders! Would definitely recommend it to anyone else treating old or new rubs.

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She's real "easy" on the eyes! ;) I'm also glad to hear of your success with Vetericyn, as I have often suggested using it but haven't yet had occasion to use it for any of my own snakes.

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She's real "easy" on the eyes! ;) I'm also glad to hear of your success with Vetericyn, as I have often suggested using it but haven't yet had occasion to use it for any of my own snakes.

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Thanks! She is growing into quite the beauty. I'm glad her personality won me over at the expo was back when. Having a snake with her looks and personality is a real treat, and I'm hoping to keep her going for as many decades as I can -- even if she can be a pushy little brat when she decides she's hungry. :P

I was actually introduced to the wonders of Vetericyn back when I helped train horses. We had a rather sensitive thoroughbred that was prone to fungal infections on the base of their tail, and the spray-on Vetericyn was one of the few things that could reliably keep it off while being gentle. I was quite happy to hear from folks around here that they'd gone out and made a reptile-specific formula. It's definitely a lot nicer to use than my old treatment methods -- no need to worry about it messing with scale growth (like Neosporin) or stinging too much on application (like even highly diluted iodine).

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I was actually introduced to the wonders of Vetericyn back when I helped train horses. We had a rather sensitive thoroughbred that was prone to fungal infections on the base of their tail, and the spray-on Vetericyn was one of the few things that could reliably keep it off while being gentle. I was quite happy to hear from folks around here that they'd gone out and made a reptile-specific formula. It's definitely a lot nicer to use than my old treatment methods -- no need to worry about it messing with scale growth (like Neosporin) or stinging too much on application (like even highly diluted iodine).

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And for anyone who doesn't know, "Vetericyn" is really just the brand name- even before you mentioned it, I became aware that they make other veterinary products too. Really helps to have good OTC products available, & reptiles have been overlooked for too long.

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Somebody got a whiff of her brother's dinner and immediately came out with the most pathetic look on her face. "Excuse me mother, but where's my mouse?" You'd think she wouldn't be hungry considering how full she still is from her last meal, but nope!

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Her wittle cute face.


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I know what you mean, my snakes make me feel so guilty when I don't feed them all on the same night! :confused:

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It looks like someone was on the hunt all night!

Adelita was prowling around her enclosure non-stop until a little while ago. It was a solid four or five plus hours of sustained activity, which is normally a lot for a boa. She only calmed down after I finally took her out of her cage, let her hang out and poke around for a bit, and generally satisfy her need to hunt. Even then, she's still been hanging around her door, though thankfully she's just sitting instead of rubbing at the moment. Still glad I picked up that Vetericyn, because her nose did need it a bit this morning.

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I remember when she used to be able to stick her coils out of this end of her log. Now, she can only really rest her head. She's a growing girl!

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Adelita was begging for food again, and luckily for her today was her scheduled feeding day!

Tried a new feeding method and left her mouse on a plastic lid so she could "hunt" for it. She wasn't as down with it as I'd thought she'd be. She actually ignored the mouse at first in favor of stalking over to the door/me. Normally she gets fed off the tongs, so it wasn't all that surprising. When left to her own devices, though, it was still quite a while before she quit stalking the door and made her way over to her mouse. She found it eventually, but when she did, she just parked herself right next to it and gave me an offended look! "Excuse me, Mother, but why is my mouse lukewarm and sitting on the ground? Reheat it and give it to me on the tongs, please!"

Reheated her mouse for her, fed her off the tongs, and lunch was down the hatch promptly. After that, she crawled right on up to her basking shelf and started stalking the location where she was just fed. It was a bit fun giving her a little wipe down to get some of the vitamin powder off her, but thankfully she calmed down after a few strokes with the hook.

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Such a gorgeous girl! My parents used to have a normal Red-Tailed boa, and now he is about 8ft long, but he started always mistaking them for food I suppose, and every time anyone would come around he would strike and try to bite no matter what we did. So I agree with her when she says hook training is a good idea. Many blessings to you and your new baby! I hope things turn out amazing and always stay that way!:)

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... She found it eventually, but when she did, she just parked herself right next to it and gave me an offended look! "Excuse me, Mother, but why is my mouse lukewarm and sitting on the ground? Reheat it and give it to me on the tongs, please!" ...

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For all the talk about how snakes have such a good sense of smell, they do seem to get a bit lazy, don't they? Maybe our pets just aren't hungry enough, like they'd be on their own in the wild?

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For all the talk about how snakes have such a good sense of smell, they do seem to get a bit lazy, don't they? Maybe our pets just aren't hungry enough, like they'd be on their own in the wild?

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Heh, she's certainly been acting hungry enough! :P She's been leaning and pushing on her door since I fed Kuzco back on the 9th, with only a few days of respite earlier this week before a passing weather system keyed her up again.

I think Adelita's a little more keyed into her food's heat signature and movement than its scent when she's asked to actively hunt. Her sense of smell certainly seems pretty strong - she seems to be able to tell when I have snake food thawing in the kitchen, and she'll go into ambush position when I bring the bucket of food over to the snake cages. If I don't offer the prey straight to her in that initial ambush spot - in which case it's normally taken immediately - she needs to see a lot of movement and a warm prey item for her to come out and take it. When she does strike, she strikes hard and constricts the heck out of her food for quite some time. She definitely strikes me (thankfully not literally) as more of an ambush hunter and a snake that would prefer live prey if given the choice.

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Working off that food coma! She probably won't leave her basking shelf for another day or two.

I'm actually liking the uneven surface of the shelf itself. The right side is about an inch or so lower than the left, which gives Adelita a second hot spot that's about 2F cooler than her main one. Her parking herself on the secondary spot a good indicator that the RHP needs to be readjusted a tad. In this case, the main hot spot had rose to 89 F, so a quick redialing brought it back to her preferred 86 F - coincidentally, the secondary hot spot was 86 F when she was parked there.

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Love that enclosure and that critter! What did you use to cut the vents through your background?


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Love that enclosure and that critter! What did you use to cut the vents through your background?

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Thanks!

It was a combination of an electric handsaw and a rechargeable Dremel Micro. Placed the background against the back wall, traced the slits on the backside of the background, used the electric handsaw to make the initial slits on the backside of the background, and came back in with the Dremel to widen the slits through the front. These backgrounds are TOUGH - the front portion is some sort of mix of plastic and stone, and my little Dremel Micro wasn't large and strong enough to punch through on its own. A larger, stronger, plug-in Dremel probably would have been, but not mine. It was able to widen the slits just fine on its own after they were made, though.

When I build my next display enclosure with a background, I'll probably go with a combination of side and top venting to avoid having to drill slits again. It was rather annoying.

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Adelita was begging for food again, and luckily for her today was her scheduled feeding day!

Tried a new feeding method and left her mouse on a plastic lid so she could "hunt" for it. She wasn't as down with it as I'd thought she'd be. She actually ignored the mouse at first in favor of stalking over to the door/me. Normally she gets fed off the tongs, so it wasn't all that surprising. When left to her own devices, though, it was still quite a while before she quit stalking the door and made her way over to her mouse. She found it eventually, but when she did, she just parked herself right next to it and gave me an offended look! "Excuse me, Mother, but why is my mouse lukewarm and sitting on the ground? Reheat it and give it to me on the tongs, please!"

Reheated her mouse for her, fed her off the tongs, and lunch was down the hatch promptly. After that, she crawled right on up to her basking shelf and started stalking the location where she was just fed. It was a bit fun giving her a little wipe down to get some of the vitamin powder off her, but thankfully she calmed down after a few strokes with the hook.

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I'm digging everything about this!

Beautiful setup and beautiful animal!

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Had Adelita out for a little exercise today to get things moving. She still has her last three meals in her, and mama says she's going to have to lighten her load if she wants more in a few weeks! She looks like a jolly little sausage right now, haha.

Side note: apparently the free version of Tapatalk has a monthly image cap now? Had another nice picture of her set up on her ledge, but the app won't let me post any more.

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They also reduced the image quality unless you were a vip member about a year and a half ago. It’s really a pretty crappy app aside from the ease with which you can upload (pixelated and few) photos unless you pay a fee. I sprung for a lifetime membership for $15 end of 2019. Still have times when the app is acting like total garbage and I can’t upload anything at all... I guess I’ve wasted more money on stupider things though.


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Yeah, there was another image quality reduction recently for free users recently. It rolled out with an update a few months back and you actually wouldn't be able to upload photos at all unless you updated the app. Free users can't upload anything larger than a medium photo now, on top of the image cap.

I'm really hoping they don't make photo uploads a VIP-exclusive thing. I don't do paid apps. If anything, I'd much rather put that money towards supporting the forum directly, instead of some third-party hosting app.

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Getting size update photos of Adelita is always a bit of a production. She never wants to sit still!

She's put on 45g of bulk since mid-December, but has only grown about an inch. It definitely looks and feels more like she's muscled up than anything else.

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That is a damn good looking animal. I still feel like my boas haven’t grown at all, but it’s the glacial pace at which they do that makes it seem imperceptible. Give it another year and you’ll look back and be astonished how much she’s grown. Love seeing updates on your critters. Very clearly well cared for.


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Your sonoran looking awsome [emoji106][emoji106][emoji7][emoji7]

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Getting size update photos of Adelita is always a bit of a production. She never wants to sit still!

She's put on 45g of bulk since mid-December, but has only grown about an inch. It definitely looks and feels more like she's muscled up than anything else.

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She looks really nice.

Your collection is always looking top notch.

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Took Adelita into the home office to enjoy a bit of sunshine. She only has a few more days of office privileges before the Papuan claims it as their quarantine room.

I've noticed that she actually has a few lines of creased scales along her body, particularly along her neck. Part of it is because she likes to curl up tight on her heat. I think another part, though, is that she's actually carrying a bit more fat that I think/her overall body condition lets on. She does feel a little softer along her back than her abs/belly. Perhaps a little more active exercise and spacing between meals will help her tone up.

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She's 100% on point when it comes to food... as long it's being offered on the tongs. The second the food is put on the plate for her to find she gets the most baffled look on her face. "Excuse me Mother, but why must I find my food myself, and eat from the floor?" You'd think she'd be a little more keen on hunting given how active she gets when she's hungry, but nope!

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She is absolutely beautiful.


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...She's 100% on point when it comes to food... as long it's being offered on the tongs. The second the food is put on the plate for her to find she gets the most baffled look on her face. "Excuse me Mother, but why must I find my food myself, and eat from the floor?" You'd think she'd be a little more keen on hunting given how active she gets when she's hungry, but nope!

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Personally, I'd forgive her. :D It must be that little bit of motion & realism when prey is offered by tongs. I know what you mean, I have a few snakes that are like that, & with mine, it appears that they have poor vision & missed the class on snakes having a great sense of smell, so being offered from tongs is what mine need too. I prefer to feed from tongs anyway, so it's no problem.