Pat the baby biak green tree python

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You know after you mentioned Pat being active in the other thread I couldn't help but notice how active Ganja is now in her pvccages cube. I can tell you have adequate hiding spaces, perches and heating and I assume you have the lights on timers but I wonder two things...

1) Is more space better even for neonates? We are told they should live in a tiny tub until a year old but is that really the best for them? People used to swear ball pythons only should live in small cages but Dante is so much more active in his 4 foot cage. Queso, my neonate rosy boa is super healthy and active in his 20 long tank.

2) Is lighting on a cycle as beneficial for them as for others. Since placing Ganja in the new cube and having the LED light on a timer she is so much more active than in the tub. Same thing with Dante and Queso. They have a much better and more active routine on a lighting schedule.

So I wonder, is your setup then the better option for healthy neonates? Pat is eating like a horse and active so barring stress I would assume that is a good sign. I mean I am thrilled Ganja is being so active, it makes me think her muscles will strengthen now.

What do you think?

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1) IMO there is no too big for most neonates. The deciding factor in how big you can go is if you can maintain the correct humidity, temps, gradients etc and most of all the security. Baby snakes dont live in 6 qt tubs in the wild. But they do have LOTS of hiding spots. Like i said, if my T10 didnt have sliding glass doors with the gap, i would have converted that over to a jungle for Pat already. Now some neos dont do good in large spaces but that is the individual snake. You will know if the snake is eating and doing snakey stuff and quiet during the day. If it is pacing and looking anxious during the day, you might need to go smaller. But usually with that, you will also notice it not eating.

2) I have all my snakes on light timers. They come on at 8AM and go off at 9PM. A lot say you dont need lights for them and boas etc but i give them lights anyways. Now i dont give them blinding bright lights. I just give them your standard amount.

As for whether its healthy or not, well i judge the health of the snake by does it eat, gain a normal amount of weight and grow normally, act normal, not highly defensive or stressed. To answer those questions about Pat, yes, he is growing, had a shed with me, eats like a horse and doesnt hesitate, poops, pisses, gets exercise and doesnt seem stressed. Two days while cleaning his paper towels, i bumped his perch and woke him. He calmly turned around, looked at me and then moved up to the top perch under his heater and curled back up and just sat there with his head down watching me lay down fresh paper towels.

This morning, i was misting down his paper towels and plants and i accidently hit him with some mist since he was camped out right in the middle of the middle perch lol. He had his head buried in his body. He lifted his head out, looked at me and just sat there lol. I went about business in his cage like changing the elevated water and his bottom water dishes and he just sat there with his head on coils looking at me. Didnt move, his or anything. So i feel he is settling in good and doesnt seem spooked or defensive. Once he gets bigger, I'm going to start working with him by lifting his perch out and just putting my hand flat under him and let him just look at it and smell it and hopefully he will start to get curious and wander onto it without trying to kill me lol. But that will be a long time as i dont want to mess with a baby even though he isnt that much of a baby anymore. At night when he is cruising around, he is at least 18 inches. Like i said, he is growing like a weed. He was a skinny little pencil thick baby a month ago. Now he is as thick as my pinky and eating small fuzzy mice like a champ.

And Pat doesnt really use any hiding spots anymore. He loved sleeping in his plant when i got him. Then that changed to sleeping behind the plant on his perch. Now he just sits pretty much anywhere during the day and at night, like i said, he just tries to find trouble. He's like a mini Caesar lol.

And yea, the exercise should strengthen your snake. And like i said, i would give lots of smaller perches so your snake can use its tail more without putting lots of stress on the wound by trying to grip too big of perches or being scared of falling. I use 1/4 inch perches for Pat and he can basically touch his one side coils to the other side of coils when he is perched if that makes sense. Basically he can wrap the whole perch by just touching his bends in his coil on each side of the perch which he does a lot when sleeping like you see in the most recent pic. His front coils touch his rear coils. I woke him up there though but his head was inside his coils. Not sure if that is a way they keep themselves secure on it or what but Pat usually does that during the day but at night, he usually is loosely coiled or just stretched out on a perch.

Anyways, hopefully your little girl recovers.

He reminds me of Verdi the snake from the kids picture book. :D

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He reminds me of Verdi the snake from the kids picture book. :D

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Lol never heard of it. I need to look it up now.

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Haha too funny, I just looked it up and i can see the resemblance lol.

Sounds like Pat is settling in just fine. I was worried with how much it was moving around but from he recent pictures it does look like it is perching during the day and has found a nice spot. Ganja picked her favorite spot right away and goes back to that after roaming at night. She has been using her tail and by proxy vent area a lot lately to hold on to things while climbing and I like that.

Looks also like your plants are starting to grow rapidly. That's my biggest drawback for live plants is the inevitable cutting back that needs to be done and that mouth full of needles just waiting to inform me that it is her cage and I do not belong ;)

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Sounds like Pat is settling in just fine. I was worried with how much it was moving around but from he recent pictures it does look like it is perching during the day and has found a nice spot. Ganja picked her favorite spot right away and goes back to that after roaming at night. She has been using her tail and by proxy vent area a lot lately to hold on to things while climbing and I like that.

Looks also like your plants are starting to grow rapidly. That's my biggest drawback for live plants is the inevitable cutting back that needs to be done and that mouth full of needles just waiting to inform me that it is her cage and I do not belong ;)

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Good to hear your worm is moving more and using its tail.

Pat actually has like 4 spots. I catch him under his CHE either curled up under it or stretched out fully across the perch, then on the second perch at the intersection of the horizontal and vertical perches, and finally on top of his plant. Last night I caught him in a new place. He had his tail wrapped around his top perch and was stretched out on the semi vertical perch.

And honestly, I'm not too worried about Pat biting me. He seems pretty laid back and the few times I have disturbed him from sleeping, he just calmly lifts his head from under his coils and looks at me and then either sits there or slowly climbs to a higher perch and curls back up. He did hiss a few times when I first got him and disturbed him but he doesn't do that anymore.

As for cutting plants back, that's why you use something like a Parlor Palm or other palm which grows slow or use nerve Plant which is more of a low grower. I ended up taking out the Pothos and Prayer Plant as they were growing too tall and interfering with Pat's ability to sit on his lowest and second perch.

I need Pat to grow faster so I can get him either that giant AP cage or something more realistic like a 4x2x3 A20.

Yeah I wish RBI made a 3x2x2 I would buy that in a heart beat. The drop down opening they have is so useful. I figure the 2x2x2 is good for a few years so maybe they will make one by then.

I only deal with AP. Love their cages and Ali is awesome to deal with. Even though their LED lights make me wonder, Ali had no problem getting new sets out to me the day after i talked to her at no cost even after almost a year.

I personally am not a fan of drop down doors. My Constrictors NW cage had a drop down door. I prefer sliding doors for any of my large constrictors as they double as awesome shields for happy eaters. I'll be doing most likely an AP A20 cage, the 4x2x3 one for Pat maybe end of next summer. That should last him his life. That huge cage would be nice but realistically, I dont see a 8x4x4 cage sitting in my living room hahaha. Thats just a little overkill.

Alright all you Pataholics!! Here is Pat snoozing under his coils after a hard night of causing trouble and pooping. The little guy is always pooping or peeing lol.
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Alright all you Pataholics!! Here is Pat snoozing under his coils after a hard night of causing trouble and pooping. The little guy is always pooping or peeing lol.
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the cutest lil poo machine :love:

That really puts into perspective how tiny your little gender neutral animal is. WOW so little.

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That really puts into perspective how tiny your little gender neutral animal is. WOW so little.

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Yup. He's about 18 inches or slightly longer when he stretches out. He can hang from the top of on of this plastic plants and easily reach the floor which he does a lot lol. He just looks really tiny when he is curled up.

LOL Mine I find is over 24 inches long... I don't want to admit how I know but it involved her getting excited and unceremoniously uncoiling to the bottom of the enclosure :O

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LOL Mine I find is over 24 inches long... I don't want to admit how I know but it involved her getting excited and unceremoniously uncoiling to the bottom of the enclosure :O

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Wow yours is huge lol. Pat is growing quick though. Little worm has probably close to doubled his thickness and put on at least a couple inches in the past month ive had him. Lol i got Pat excited a few nights ago when i thought he was stuck in the front of the cage hanging from the space between the lid of the cage and frame. I opened the door and put a perch next to him and just touched him if he needed to get down. He obviously wasnt stuck and scooted along the rim there to his plant, came down, and looked at me from his perch lol. I think he wasnt too pleased i interrupted his nightly climbing. I've never had him drop from a perch. He did stretch out like i mentioned during the day and flick his tongue at my hand a few times. I was expecting to get tagged but nope, he just backed up and curled back up on the perch. I guess he was thinking it was dinner until he smelled it.

I'm actually thinking of pushing him out to once a week for feedings now. I fed him once every 4 days and today was his first feeding after 5 days. He is kind of getting chubby though so i might push him out like i said to once a week. He is up to small fuzzy mice now.

You settle on what to do for misting? I was all set to get a mistking with zero drip until I got this new enclosure. It now keeps humidity up so well that the pressurized hand mister I have now is more than enough to keep her happy. The great thing about the pressurized mister I have is that it is much gentler than the spray bottle so she doesn't get upset if I mist her.

I have heard all sort of bad things about those exoterra monsoons.

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You settle on what to do for misting? I was all set to get a mistking with zero drip until I got this new enclosure. It now keeps humidity up so well that the pressurized hand mister I have now is more than enough to keep her happy. The great thing about the pressurized mister I have is that it is much gentler than the spray bottle so she doesn't get upset if I mist her.

I have heard all sort of bad things about those exoterra monsoons.

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Talked to a few of the guys on the GTP boards and most say those automatic misters arent worth the trouble or the cash. I ended up buying a 1 gallon pump sprayer since i have to mist everyone once a week anyways in the winter. I was looking into getting a Mistking when i upgraded Pat to an AP A20 48x24x36 this summer but not going to bother now. just going to stick with hand misting and just throw in a few low growing plants like Nerve Plants as well as a few Parlor Palms. Lucky for me, Pat doesnt poop or piss off his perches. He comes down to the floor and plays in his water bowl and then drops a deuce and piss next to it. Little guys loves to poop and piss. He pooped twice this week and pissed like 3 times haha.

And they got huge teeth. I fed Pat his small fuzzy mouse today and when he grabbed it by the head, i saw in his mouth and saw his teeth and holy moly, for a little 18 inch worm, he has huge teeth haha. I was just looking at those teeth until he hung down and coiled the mouse.

And i dont mist the snake anymore. A few people told me thats not a good idea as it can train them to drink water off their coils and glass instead of from a water bowl. Not sure if its true but i dont do it anymore plus Pat LOVES his deli cups on the floor and spends time there nightly hanging off the sides and dunking his head under the water and splashing around lol. He's such a goofy little snake.

Oh trust me I know now first hand just how big and sharp those needle teeth are. They are also faster than you can react LOL. Vet did a full inspection of her mouth and the massive amount of teeth they had just floored me.

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Oh trust me I know now first hand just how big and sharp those needle teeth are. They are also faster than you can react LOL. Vet did a full inspection of her mouth and the massive amount of teeth they had just floored me.

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Lol thought you got bit until i read to the end of the statement. Guess ETBs have even bigger teeth haha. I kind of want an ETB but i really want another GTP, an Aru X Biak cross. Saw a few of them on the GTP page and they are awesome looking. Plus i didnt know that Biaks are the longest to change color GTPs. Guys were telling me biaks usually change their whole lives where as other ones can go through that ontogenetic change in in a year or less. Actually makes me kind of happy i got a Biak as I'll be able to see Pat changing with each shed a little throughout his life lol. But i do still want an Aru/Biak like i said. A red neonate too. Think that will be my next snake actually once i get Pat into his AP A20. I'll use the 18x18x18 cube for the Aru/Biak red neo :D

Well i went over to see if Porky was still sleeping on his perch and it looks like he is awake and getting ready to patrol. The little Porker just ate day before yesterday and is out and about already. I wiggled my finger at the front of the cage door and he extended out to see if it was dinner haha. I swear, he is a mini version of Caesar...eats, poops, pisses, causes trouble.....rinse and repeat a day or 2 after eating lol.
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Wait yours doesn't freeze the moment you come within 20 feet of it?

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Wait yours doesn't freeze the moment you come within 20 feet of it?

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Lol nope, he just goes about what he's doing like you weren't there unless you wiggle a finger next to him. Then he slowly creeps up closer and closer to the finger with tongue flicking. He did that to my hand a few days ago when i was changing his paper towels on the floor. I thought i was going to get tagged but after some intensive tongue flicking, he back tracked and recurled on his perch and went back to bed. Guess my hand didnt smell like a nice juicy fuzzy mouse lol. That pic of him above is him noticing my finger wiggling at him and him creeping closer.

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Well i went over to see if Porky was still sleeping on his perch and it looks like he is awake and getting ready to patrol. The little Porker just ate day before yesterday and is out and about already. I wiggled my finger at the front of the cage door and he extended out to see if it was dinner haha. I swear, he is a mini version of Caesar...eats, poops, pisses, causes trouble.....rinse and repeat a day or 2 after eating lol.
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Your snakes are basically everything I want in my life. Your threads are my favorite.

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Your snakes are basically everything I want in my life. Your threads are my favorite.

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Thanks. I think i got kind of lucky with my snakes as all of them are laid back and settled in and ate well....sometimes a little too well lol. The only snake i had that i couldnt get mellowed was Allison my JCP. No matter how much i worked with her, she was always defensive and usually ready to bite. I got her from always biting to about 1/3 of the time. Then all of a sudden, she went crazy again went up to 50% biting. I did get her switched from black live mice at night only to FT rats of any color and anytime. I got her at a year or 1.5 years old so i think maybe she wasnt worked with as a baby. She came from Nick Mutton at Inland Reptiles but like i said, the previous owner must not have handled her or really messed her up. I bet if i kept working with her, i could have maybe made headway but i traded her for Rango my salmon DH sharp snowglow boy who is a character. Loves to eat and watches you like a retic, turning his head and following you around when you are in front of the cage lol.

And another update...Pat pissed again. I swear the little booger is a mini Caesar lol. He loves to piss and poop and eat.

Well I got Pat a Zoo Med light fixture to go with his cube last night and put in a 5.0 UVB bulb and a daylight bulb for him and the plants. Also repotted his Prayer Plant in 5 inch wide and tall pot which he seems to love to use as a perch at night as well. Gave him a large Exo Terra water bowl too since he loves to play in water. He seems pretty happy now. Caught him doing this this morning. Not sure how he got into this weird yoga pose but he went back to normal after i opened the cage and took a pic. Guess he got embarrassed lol.
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The look of a content GTP. Pat got his little fuzzy mouse today and now he is content. Look at that little pudgy belly on him lol.
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The look of a content GTP. Pat got his little fuzzy mouse today and now he is content. Look at that little pudgy belly on him lol.
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Now thats a display [emoji1362][emoji216]

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Thanks. You want a real display, wait until about 30 mins after lights out in the cages after day 2 of eating. Pat goes ballistic and is all over the place. Usually starts with a drop to the floor to drop a deuce and piss. Then off to the new large Exo Terra water bowl to swim around in. Then up to the top of the clay pot for the prayer plant to park himself for a few. Then its a toss up between up to the perches again or onto the plastic plants or back into the water bowl for some more swimming. The guy is so full of energy at night, it's incredible. I just couldnt see how you could keep a neo in the little 6 or 25 qt tubs without them going crazy. Pat gets so much exercise nightly except the night of dinner and the next night.

Cant wait until he gets big enough for me to actually start working with him and seeing how much he bites me while we bond :rage::rage::taz::rage::rage::tears::rage::rage:

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Thanks. You want a real display, wait until about 30 mins after lights out in the cages after day 2 of eating. Pat goes ballistic and is all over the place. Usually starts with a drop to the floor to drop a deuce and piss. Then off to the new large Exo Terra water bowl to swim around in. Then up to the top of the clay pot for the prayer plant to park himself for a few. Then its a toss up between up to the perches again or onto the plastic plants or back into the water bowl for some more swimming. The guy is so full of energy at night, it's incredible. I just couldnt see how you could keep a neo in the little 6 or 25 qt tubs without them going crazy. Pat gets so much exercise nightly except the night of dinner and the next night.

Cant wait until he gets big enough for me to actually start working with him and seeing how much he bites me while we bond :rage::rage::taz::rage::rage::tears::rage::rage:

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Hahahahaha... Its to bad some people keep them in such confined areas.. I feel bad.. Look at what they do if given the chance.

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Hahahahaha... Its to bad some people keep them in such confined areas.. I feel bad.. Look at what they do if given the chance.

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They make AMAZING display snakes !! I've always said that, you can really go all out with them.

My two were kept in smaller enclosures until their green started to come in. But they weren't "tub" enclosures, just small enough to allow for ease of frequent cleaning. There were 2 removable perches, water and paper towels. Mine were "kittens" from the get go. I was able to pick them out from about 30 or so ;)

Due to the small enclosure and frequent cleanings, they were quite used to "handling". Even at the breeder they got removed from the enclosure (while on their perch, the entire perch got lifted out) while their "house got cleaned". I got bitten twice while I looked through all 30 of them. Actually I CLEANED all 30 enclosures, LOL, was a great way to pick one out, though. Most were very accepting or the minimal handling. I thought more would be "bitey".

Mine got so used to being taken in and out of their home that they would start to lazily come off of their perch while I lifted it out and started to explore. At that age I rarely "made" them come off unless they wanted to. If I needed them off, I would lift the perch and then gently use my hand and move it underneath of them, replacing the perch with the edge of my hand.

I never got bitten by either of them, not once. They were just as tame as any of my Ball Pythons. Even though I handled them FAR less often. They were also not "fast" or upset during handling. Perfectly calm.

Once they started getting green spots and got some size on them they went straight to a really big display cage. They never missed a beat. No stress, no refused feedings, no frantic cruising.

Gtp's are just incredible display snakes. Even if not handled, or handled rarely, they are jewels in a collection.

Pat looks so cool against that calathea, great contrast


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Pat is pretty laid back. About the only time he really moves when I'm cleaning his cage is if i bump his perch. Then he wakes up and usually follows my hand flicking his tongue at it for a little bit, then gets bored of it and curls back up lol. I havent tried removing him and the perch yet. I'll wait until he puts on some size. No rush for me as i never bought him with the intention of having an animal to 'play' with. I got fat Caesar and the boas if i want something to drag around and bother lol.
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Pat is pretty laid back. About the only time he really moves when I'm cleaning his cage is if i bump his perch. Then he wakes up and usually follows my hand flicking his tongue at it for a little bit, then gets bored of it and curls back up lol. I havent tried removing him and the perch yet. I'll wait until he puts on some size. No rush for me as i never bought him with the intention of having an animal to 'play' with. I got fat Caesar and the boas if i want something to drag around and bother lol.
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Can I snake sit?

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Lol you probably wouldnt have much fun. Most of them are pretty quiet during the day. The only ones during the day that greet me are Harley my beardie and Caesar. Come night, you would be entertained. Like i said, Pat is a ball of fury come night. That little guy just doesnt quit. And even more surprising last night, he was tearing it up after eating his small fuzzy mouse on Sunday. Weird to see him so active 1 day after eating. The fuzzy was pretty small though. I weighed it and it weighed 3 or 4 grams, cant remember now haha. But it looked pretty small even after he ate it.

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Pat is pretty laid back. About the only time he really moves when I'm cleaning his cage is if i bump his perch. Then he wakes up and usually follows my hand flicking his tongue at it for a little bit, then gets bored of it and curls back up lol. I havent tried removing him and the perch yet. I'll wait until he puts on some size. No rush for me as i never bought him with the intention of having an animal to 'play' with. I got fat Caesar and the boas if i want something to drag around and bother lol.
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I didn't handle mine much at all, but I like all of them to be used to regular "minimal" handling for maintenance and such. This way, if you ever HAVE to handle due to emergencies or health issues, it isn't quite as stressful to the animal.

Gtp's are still an awesome animal to own, even if its not one usually "played" with. They are just striking animals, esp. in a beautiful display setup ;)

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I didn't handle mine much at all, but I like all of them to be used to regular "minimal" handling for maintenance and such. This way, if you ever HAVE to handle due to emergencies or health issues, it isn't quite as stressful to the animal.

Gtp's are still an awesome animal to own, even if its not one usually "played" with. They are just striking animals, esp. in a beautiful display setup ;)

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Yeah, i plan on working with him once he gets bigger and puts on some girth. I just dont want to handle such a small little guy and have him freak out and fall and hurt himself. I think he is getting used to me though as i can reach in pretty darn close to him and the only thing he does is flick his tongue and come close to my hand and then after a min, he just backs up and coils back up. I've been waiting for that bite but he hasnt done it and honestly doesnt even seem that concerned about me lol. Now with his mouse, that different.

And yeah, i cant wait for him to get bigger. I might have to break down this summer and get his AP A20 so i can deck it out in plants and perches. I need to figure out a way to mount a UVB tube in there without danger to the snake or talking to Ali about maybe cutting something like a 2 or 3 inch wide 3 ft long hole in the top and screening it and then I'll see if my local plastic shop can cut me a piece of thick acrylic that i can mount with hinges to create a closing top over the UVB tubes so it holds in humidity still but gives me screening between the snake and the light fixture.

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Yeah, i plan on working with him once he gets bigger and puts on some girth. I just dont want to handle such a small little guy and have him freak out and fall and hurt himself. I think he is getting used to me though as i can reach in pretty darn close to him and the only thing he does is flick his tongue and come close to my hand and then after a min, he just backs up and coils back up. I've been waiting for that bite but he hasnt done it and honestly doesnt even seem that concerned about me lol. Now with his mouse, that different.

And yeah, i cant wait for him to get bigger. I might have to break down this summer and get his AP A20 so i can deck it out in plants and perches. I need to figure out a way to mount a UVB tube in there without danger to the snake or talking to Ali about maybe cutting something like a 2 or 3 inch wide 3 ft long hole in the top and screening it and then I'll see if my local plastic shop can cut me a piece of thick acrylic that i can mount with hinges to create a closing top over the UVB tubes so it holds in humidity still but gives me screening between the snake and the light fixture.

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Planning it all out is half the fun !!!

Can you imagine a built in really big enclosure, all decked out with gorgeous greenery, vines and whatnot ? To where it looks like a big, living picture ? I think that would be amazing !!!

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Planning it all out is half the fun !!!

Can you imagine a built in really big enclosure, all decked out with gorgeous greenery, vines and whatnot ? To where it looks like a big, living picture ? I think that would be amazing !!!

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​THAT would be amazing!!!

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Planning it all out is half the fun !!!

Can you imagine a built in really big enclosure, all decked out with gorgeous greenery, vines and whatnot ? To where it looks like a big, living picture ? I think that would be amazing !!!

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Well when i saw the newest AP cage which is 8x4x4. thats the first thing that popped into my head. Going with a full on mini jungle in my living room with Pat wandering around in there. But then i came back to reality and figured a 4x2x3 is more realistic lol.

Lol Pat powered down a 6 gram fuzzy mouse last night. That definitely filled him up as he is now sleeping under his heater today. Look at the chub on that boy after his meal haha.
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Wow Sauzo, you snuck another one or two in on me while I was away! Congrats man, you’ve really filled out your collection nicely. :)

And I absolutely LOVE the name, Pat. I died laughing when I read that in your in your first post. :D I immediately pictured Pat from SNL in my mind.

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Lol Pat powered down a 6 gram fuzzy mouse last night. That definitely filled him up as he is now sleeping under his heater today. Look at the chub on that boy after his meal haha.
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Looking great!

Nice assortment of species!

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Lol nothing really new as Pat is going into shed i believe and is being antisocial sitting curled up in his plant.

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Wow Sauzo, you snuck another one or two in on me while I was away! Congrats man, you’ve really filled out your collection nicely. :)

And I absolutely LOVE the name, Pat. I died laughing when I read that in your in your first post. :D I immediately pictured Pat from SNL in my mind.

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Thanks and yeah the name Pat popped into my head from SNL when i got him as he's too young to sex and i personally doubt i ever will sex him as it doesnt really matter to me as i wont breed.

And yeah, i snuck in a couple. Was planning for either a Peruvian BCC or Moonglow BCI maybe this summer as i got 1 empty T10 laying around. But we will see.

Also good to see you back. Was wondering where you went off to lol.

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Looking great!

Nice assortment of species!

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Thanks. Pretty happy with everyone so far.

I wish they stayed that color LOL!

However, there is something super mystical about the GREEN adults too.

I'm not here nearly as much but I'll check in a bit more now that wrestling season is coming to a close for my son.

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I wish they stayed that color LOL!

However, there is something super mystical about the GREEN adults too.

I'm not here nearly as much but I'll check in a bit more now that wrestling season is coming to a close for my son.

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Well from what i've gathered talking to people on the GTP boards, Biaks take the longest to change colors, some actually change their whole lives. The other subspecies change color very quicker seeming almost like overnight. So I'm expecting Pat to hold yellow for a very long time. I saw some Biaks thats were 3 years old and still had a lot of yellow on them. The one thing about GTPs is they seem to be very variable in colors and you really never know what you will get until the snake is an adult and even then, it can still keep changing.

So basically i got Louie and Pat to look forward to see changing colors as the years go on.

195 posts about Pat the Green Tree Python in 7 weeks! The most popular snake on Ball-pythons.net, and it is not even a ball python! :P

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195 posts about Pat the Green Tree Python in 7 weeks! The most popular snake on Ball-pythons.net, and it is not even a ball python! :P

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Haha yeah. I get a lot of likes from other places too about Pat. Seems people love GTPs especially battery powered little bright yellow babies.

And i've got so many idea floating around. I've been thinking of selling off my extra T10 and setting up another 18x18x18 cube and getting a red neo lol. These little buggers are kind of addictive as they dont really require huge caging and only going off my experience with Pat, but he eats like a horse. Little guy is ladi back until you show him a mouse or gently wake him up with a mouse. He pops up, looks at it for a minute while smelling it and once he realizes its a mouse, he goes for the gusto.

Update for Pat. He had his second shed with me now and he's 2/2 on perfect sheds. Was actually starting to get a little worried as he was hiding in his plant for 10 days. But i figured it was shed time as all my other snakes become antisocial and hide when its shed time for them too. Anyways got a pic of the nice shed, looks like a little snake with the head, eye caps and everything lol. As well got a quick fresh shed Pat pic but it wasnt too great as it's almost 3am and i needed sleep lol. He went back up to his heater.
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So happy for Pat! He/She/They are looking great and not too chubby. Glad you got a feeding and humidity routine down. I am not sure the exact point when to slow up on feeding but looks like you are a ways away from it. I finally got some of those water ledges albeit magnetic because suction cups would never work and I am surprised how effective they are.

You still have that probe on the perch... such a risk taker :P

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So happy for Pat! He/She/They are looking great and not too chubby. Glad you got a feeding and humidity routine down. I am not sure the exact point when to slow up on feeding but looks like you are a ways away from it. I finally got some of those water ledges albeit magnetic because suction cups would never work and I am surprised how effective they are.

You still have that probe on the perch... such a risk taker :P

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Thanks. Yeah Pat has been moved to a 7 day feeding as he is up from pinkie mice to fuzzies now. He left a giant poop last night too after shedding haha. The thing was the size of a rat turd.

And yeah, the probe is still on the highest perch. Meh, not really a risk imo. Pat never actually sits on it and even if he did, that little nano CHE wouldnt get hot enough to burn him from the distance it's at. Also i dont have it set high as GTPs dont need that high of heat. I keep it set to 84F and the room is usually 77-80F so it isnt even on that often. I've actually thought about just ditching it as a few breeders i talked to dont even use any outside heat other than keeping the ambient in the room around 80F and then at night, it has a natural temp drop.

I'm just going to use the screw mounted water bowls once i get Pat his AP cage.

Today was feeding day and let me tell you, after 10 days of no food because of shedding, Pat was on that mouse faster than a fat kid on a KitKat. He powered it down and now is curled up on top of his plant.

As for humidity, i just let it drop to around 40-50%, then give it a good misting and let it drop again. Usually shoot for around 70% even in shed. A lot of people seem to think you need really high air humidity for a snake to shed when in fact, if the snake is properly hydrated inside, they usually wont have a problem shedding unless there is an underlying health issue or stress. Heck the first time Pat shed, i didnt see it coming until i found a shed wrapped up in his plant. This one last night, i only knew because he went into his plant and stayed there for 10 days lol. I just keep doing the same thing for humidity and last night, i found it stretched between his plant and his middle perch. He seems to hook it a leaf of one of his plants and then just slowly pull it off.

And these little boogers are addictive. I've really been contemplating setting up another 18x18x18 cube and getting me a little red neo lol.