Caesar progression thread.

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Originally Posted by ShaneSilva

I thought about ordering some pigs from monster feeders but idk if I want to order 50 lbs of pig right now lol. If you ended up getting some for Caesar please keep us updated(:

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They never called me back since Thursday. I reckon they don't need the business.

Oh, I saw that 50 lb minimum. I don't need 50 lbs either. Caesar eats a lot but dang 50 lbs is a bit much.

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

Omg it's been 3 days and 4 nights so far and Caesar is quiet as a church mouse after a large rat!!! /faint
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Why did you switch to paper towel? Gene is still on Medium rats, I could probably bump him up to large rats but I have a freezer full of Mediums. Caesar looks beautiful.

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Originally Posted by Stearns84

Why did you switch to paper towel? Gene is still on Medium rats, I could probably bump him up to large rats but I have a freezer full of Mediums. Caesar looks beautiful.

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Thanks. I switched temporarily because he got a couple scrapes on his chin from pushing when he was being fed medium rats. I might put him back on ReptiChips after he sheds out the 2 scrapes but I'm also debating leaving him on paper towels. He seems to like paper towels and really enjoys going under them and slithering all over and popping his head out lol. Also it makes clean up and spotting pee really easy. And it also still keeps humidity around 60-70% since I use a big water bowl. So really I'm not seeing any downside to the paper towels except look wise.

The boas, dumerils and BP will stay on ReptiChips as they don't piss nearly as much as Caesar so I really don't have to constantly go through it with a fine tooth comb to find any kind of piss. They all leave a giant white urate blob that screams "here I am!!" where as Caesar does lots of just liquid piss with no urate.

Bumping Caesar up to large rats was the best thing I did for him. He is still quiet as a church mouse on Sunday and last time he ate was Wednesday. So it's been 5 nights and 4 days and so far all is quiet on the western front :P

This will also allow me to stretch everyone out to every 10 days for feeding and Vicky and Rosey can go to every 3 weeks.

I'm also very OCD about keeping my snakes clean so hate the thought of piss in the substrate that I cant find haha. Mostly because I take them all out every few days to hang out on me or just let them explore and I don't want a piss covered dirty snake cruising on me or my furniture or bed haha.

What size hides are you using for him Sauzo? Are they the XL 16.5"x11".5"? Just wondering as I see how they fit in your T10 and I have of them for when the Balls are adults along with the (MED 11"x7") they use now as there young.
I always order extra things i'll need in the future trying to save on shipping hahahaha

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Originally Posted by Mr Sully

What size hides are you using for him Sauzo? Are they the XL 16.5"x11".5"? Just wondering as I see how they fit in your T10 and I have of them for when the Balls are adults along with the (MED 11"x7") they use now as there young.
I always order extra things i'll need in the future trying to save on shipping hahahaha

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Nah these are the larges. The 13x9 ones. Caesar easily fits in them. Dottie though is a big bottom girl so they are kind of small for her now. She needs the extra large ones which I'll order her when her T8 gets here. Then I can give her large hides to Rango.

Ok, we need more pictures . If you don't post more pictures, you can't play with us anymore.:D

Haha I don't have any new pics of Caesar yet as he should be shedding in a few days. I can scrounge up an older one. Here's a blurry one and another of him hanging out with his door open as I watched tv. He's getting to be like the boas and enjoying a door left open so he can look out and hang down and look at the floor until he gets bored and goes back in lol.
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Here's 2 more of him playing jungle snake!! I had to remove the plant cause his curious dumb butt got stuck in a ring of the plant and I had to rescue him by cutting the ring. Was a bonding moment though as he curled up on me after and sat there for 20 mins. the next day, he was back to breaking stuff like nothing happened haha.
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And here is an old picture of him looking for a fish in his water bowl!!!! J/K, actually I don't remember what he was doing at the water bowl.
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I'll get some fresh shed pics here in a few days lol.

He looks great. I guess you can stick around a bit longer, since you posted more pictures.

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Originally Posted by Reinz

They never called me back since Thursday. I reckon they don't need the business.

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Matt is a nice guy. I've been down to visit him as he's about 2 hours away from me. I've hear mixed reviews on his business, and I was very happy he was accommodating to me when I came down with my kids. I toured the cage plant and his retic facility. He's had a few big hardships as of late. He lost a young daughter to SIDS within the last year, and is getting married or did recently.


I'm still looking at buying a cage from him but it will require another visit.


Caesar looks great in those pictures as always.

Wallace may be in shed, but I may give him a quick meal tonight.

I'm still going to weigh my larges for you Sauzo.

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Originally Posted by Gio

Matt is a nice guy. I've been down to visit him as he's about 2 hours away from me. I've hear mixed reviews on his business, and I was very happy he was accommodating to me when I came down with my kids. I toured the cage plant and his retic facility. He's had a few big hardships as of late. He lost a young daughter to SIDS within the last year, and is getting married or did recently.


I'm still looking at buying a cage from him but it will require another visit.


Caesar looks great in those pictures as always.

Wallace may be in shed, but I may give him a quick meal tonight.

I'm still going to weigh my larges for you Sauzo.

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Haha nice. Caesar seems to eat probably around 200-240g larges. They kind of vary. He's in shed too so he isn't too food driven right now. I did take him out to clean his cage after he soaked his paper towels with a huge piss. He just sat on me lol.

As for Monster feeders, I would be interested in their piglets as something like a 0.5lb piglet I bet would do Caesar wonders as that's a much more packed dinner so he could probably go a couple weeks on one but I didn't notice the minimum order of 50lbs lol. I don't need 50 lbs of piglets. The only other snake I got that could eat something like that would be Rosey and I haven't researched the fat content on them so I'm not sure how good they are for boas.

And I'm sure Wallace will eat in shed. I fed Caesar when he was in deep blue a medium rat that Dottie didn't want. Caesar missed it 2 times though lol. He finally just sat there and I put the rat up to his lips and he latched on and swallowed it haha.

And man, that poor guy, losing a kid would be very hard. I couldn't even imagine it and still try and run a business. On the plus side, he got married so that can bring some happiness back. Good luck to him.

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

Haha nice. Caesar seems to eat probably around 200-240g larges. They kind of vary. He's in shed too so he isn't too food driven right now. I did take him out to clean his cage after he soaked his paper towels with a huge piss. He just sat on me lol.

As for Monster feeders, I would be interested in their piglets as something like a 0.5lb piglet I bet would do Caesar wonders as that's a much more packed dinner so he could probably go a couple weeks on one but I didn't notice the minimum order of 50lbs lol. I don't need 50 lbs of piglets. The only other snake I got that could eat something like that would be Rosey and I haven't researched the fat content on them so I'm not sure how good they are for boas.

And I'm sure Wallace will eat in shed. I fed Caesar when he was in deep blue a medium rat that Dottie didn't want. Caesar missed it 2 times though lol. He finally just sat there and I put the rat up to his lips and he latched on and swallowed it haha.

And man, that poor guy, losing a kid would be very hard. I couldn't even imagine it and still try and run a business. On the plus side, he got married so that can bring some happiness back. Good luck to him.

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Hola,

NO pigs for boas, they are Too fatty. Wallace refused LOL! Guess Caesar has a lot more food drive. I'm not upset, just a tad surprised.


Matt has had a few rough goes in the last few years. Bad divorce, the child, and some other stuff, but he is a really nice guy.

I have not done any business with him so I can't comment on that.

I checked with AP and I'd be looking at over $700 for the cage I want.

I'm leaning toward Monster again.

Keep the Caesar stuff coming.

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Originally Posted by Gio

Hola,

NO pigs for boas, they are Too fatty. Wallace refused LOL! Guess Caesar has a lot more food drive. I'm not upset, just a tad surprised.


Matt has had a few rough goes in the last few years. Bad divorce, the child, and some other stuff, but he is a really nice guy.

I have not done any business with him so I can't comment on that.

I checked with AP and I'd be looking at over $700 for the cage I want.

I'm leaning toward Monster again.

Keep the Caesar stuff coming.

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Well good to know about the boas.

I'm surprised Wallace refused but not worried. Seems Caesar and Phyllis are the pigs and Wallace and Riverrun are the figure watchers lol.

As for the price of the AP cage. Yeah for a T25 with sliding glass doors, shelf, lock, flexwatt and LED lights, I'm looking at $770 with shipping. I'd check out Monster Cages since you live close to them. I live kind of close to Ed but like I said, I'm not a huge fan of Pro-Line cages personally. There is another guy in my area who builds to order PVC cages and stacks but his prices are about the same as AP so for me, I'll just go with AP since I got 3 already and I want them all to match :)

And I'll throw some pics of Caesar whenever his butt decides to shed. He did leave a brutal piss last night or this morning. I knew it was coming as when I took him out last night, he had serious sausage butt and I knew the cork was going to explode in a day or two lol. Well it did. Was a huge pile of urate and the liquid soaked like 2' of paper towels haha.

Well I ran outta ReptiChips so needed something and ended up picking up Eco Earth from my local pet shop. Giving it another try lol. I like the ReptiChips but I have found a few flaws in it. The size is a double edged sword. I have no idea how you guys find retic piss in it when there is no urate. The other downside is for my boas, they have a habit of burying their tails in the stuff and taking a piss. So I have to dig around in it to find boa piss and if you have ever stuck a finger in semi cold pile of urate...not fun. So I forgot how soft Eco Earth is. And this batch I mixed up good so its just damp. Now hopefully it doesn't grow mold on the bottom of it. Figure I'll turn it every couple days. So far everyone seems to like it.

If I remember right, spotting piss on it was cake as it just darkens up when its soaked. Maybe if I like the stuff, I'll pick up one of those little plastic shovel and pail for little kids at the beach and use it as a pooper scooper and bucket lol.

There is something I really like about morphs.
This is what it is; You can have similar looking colors and patterns but completely different species. Because of that, you can see differences and similarities in different types of snakes beyond just coloring and pattern.

Sauzo, I'd love to see your boa with the same, or at least similar coloring to Caesar. Maybe a photo comparison?

I think it would be interesting comparing the species by body shape and head shape without such huge differences in color an pattern.

I've seen some really cool patternless boas that remind me of olive pythons to a certain extent.

If you get a chance post up some of those shots!

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Originally Posted by Gio

There is something I really like about morphs.
This is what it is; You can have similar looking colors and patterns but completely different species. Because of that, you can see differences and similarities in different types of snakes beyond just coloring and pattern.

Sauzo, I'd love to see your boa with the same, or at least similar coloring to Caesar. Maybe a photo comparison?

I think it would be interesting comparing the species by body shape and head shape without such huge differences in color an pattern.

I've seen some really cool patternless boas that remind me of olive pythons to a certain extent.

If you get a chance post up some of those shots!

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Well, pretty much all my snakes are different looking/patterned so can't really do a comparison per say. I mean the only ones kind of close would be Vicky and Caesar.

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And then Vicky
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So I don't know if this is what you mean by comparison. But here's some of my older pics of Vicky and Caesar.

And Caesar shed so figure I'd throw up a couple new ones of him. Sorry about the flash washing out Caesar's head but it was lights out and Caesar was looking rather hungry so I didn't feel like messing with him lol. Think his porky little butt is needing another large rat soon. :)
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Man that is a good looking critter you've got there, no bout a doubt it. Love how retics only seem to get better with age.


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Perfect just what I was thinking.

Well Caesar shed a few days ago but didn't get around to getting a pic. Here's one when I got him out for some play time. Trying to keep up with them is like trying to keep up with a kid after trick or treating on Halloween lol. He didn't want to sit still so I gave up after getting 1 pic and a bad of him investigating the camera lol.
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Wow he looks great! He's getting.big!

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Wow he's definitely got some mass for his length! Phyllis looks like a shoelace compared to Caesar haha


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Originally Posted by Stearns84

Wow he looks great! He's getting.big!

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Thanks. Yeah, he has definitely grown since I got him back in Oct. He seems to be mellowing on the food drive so maybe that means he's slowing down or going into a lull lol. I'll just watch for him to start thickening up and I'll back him off food like Cody was saying in his videos for males. So far he's still pretty trim and NEVER wants to sit still haha. Always leans forward as far out as he can or stands straight up and touches the ceiling lol. Only time he is quiet is in his cage when he sits in his cool hide and then he pokes his head to look at me. Got a couple jumbo hides coming for him and Dottie this Tuesday so hopefully they both like them.

And omg, when I was giving him exercise time on me, his stomach starting making gurgling and bubbling noises while he was cruising around on me. I was praying he wouldn't poop or piss all over me lol. I got lucky so were still at 149 days accident free at the 'work site' lol.

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Wow he's definitely got some mass for his length! Phyllis looks like a shoelace compared to Caesar haha


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Lol yeah he's got some bulk but dang when he holds on, he holds on. Strong little bugger. You should see when he grabs a rat. Squeezes the bejesus out of it lol. And yeah, think, I'm going to just stick with 200g rats which is like a large medium. The 240g I gave him left a huge lump and the 150g rat I gave him didn't do squat really so a 200g should be a happy median. And for the schedule, think i'm going to just go off of when he comes out and starts roaming all over, i'll feed him instead of giving him a set schedule like the boas. Plus his quail and stuff.

Okay I'm getting impatient waiting for the T8, can I see how you have you enclosures set up?

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Looks like you are having a ball, with your Python.

I guess it's ultimately up to the supplier but a 200 gram rat is a mid-sized large, larges usually average 150-270 grams. I think the largest larges I get are maybe 290 grams.

But if he's starting to get to the point where his food intake starts to decrease a bit, a 200 gram rat sounds a good place to start.

The gurgling is definitely anxiety-inducing, but I've gone the entire (almost) 2 years with River without incident. I think if you've been lucky thus far your luck may continue, they give a lot of false alarms sometimes. :P


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I guess it's ultimately up to the supplier but a 200 gram rat is a mid-sized large, larges usually average 150-270 grams. I think the largest larges I get are maybe 290 grams.

But if he's starting to get to the point where his food intake starts to decrease a bit, a 200 gram rat sounds a good place to start.

The gurgling is definitely anxiety-inducing, but I've gone the entire (almost) 2 years with River without incident. I think if you've been lucky thus far your luck may continue, they give a lot of false alarms sometimes. :P


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Yeah the gurgling was the first time I've ever heard it. He was cruising all over me though and standing up trying to reach the ceiling and stretching out. My boas make that gurgling from their gut sometimes too. Usually it is a prelude to a big turd lol.

And yeah, I guess 200g would be a small large. My gal sells mediums up to about 170-180g. Then her larges are about 190g-280g.

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Okay I'm getting impatient waiting for the T8, can I see how you have you enclosures set up?

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Yeah I haven't taken any really recent pictures but I can throw up an older one. I'll get a new batch when the 2 T8s get here next week hopefully.
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This is an older one. I don't have the plant in Caesar's cage anymore as he got stuck in it so I removed it. And the bottom cage, I gave Rosey back her hide like the middle cage. And I've switched from the ReptiChips to Eco Earth lol. Yeah yeah yeah, I hated the stuff but I ran out of ReptiChips so I needed something now and EE was cheap and now it actually seems to be working well as long as I stir it everyday for the first few days.

I like your setup.

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I like your setup.

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Thanks. Got a couple T8s that should be here next week I hope. Then next month I'm going to order another stand and T8 so I will have a stack of 3 T8s next to those T10s, Then I'll order one more T8 for the Peruvian. The 4 T8s with stand will be about 2" taller than the 3 T10s so it will fit pretty nicely. Then later I'll add 3 T25s and then eat ramen for the next 6 months....but I'll be happy :D

Ok. here's a cutesy pic of Caesar in his new hide. This is his "Gotta snack!?" look lol.
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Caesar using his hide as a perch this morning. Getting close to dinner day and he is making sure I don't forget lol.
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He is looking good! Is that the lights that came from Animal Plastics or after market?

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He is looking good! Is that the lights that came from Animal Plastics or after market?

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That's the LED white lights that came from AP installed. I don't bother messing with it anymore lol. I just rather pay the extra and get a plug and play ready unit. Here's another pic of the lights themselves. Don't mind Vicky in the first pic, she wanted to get in on the action too lol.
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They actually are decent. Bright enough to see in the cage easily but not so bright, they blind you.

When I got Tina I made a display enclosure for her, but I hated misting to keep the humidity up so I went to the rack. But man that red light was sweet, it was enough to watch her at night. I know they make wireless remote led strips that change color. I just ordered the basic T8 with a lock. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...f1244a22e4.jpg

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Yeah I got 2 of the T8s loaded coming hopefully this week or next week. Then I have to order one more and a stand. Then everyone will be squared away until probably end of this year when I'll probably need to order at least 2 T25s and use one of the extra T10s for Peruvian BCC or possibly another retic if I find a SD pied or SD something else that catches my eye lol.

Haha. Ok had a funny thing happen. so the lights were out and I just had the tv on and was watching it. I looked over and noticed it looked like Caesar was cruising around on his shelf. I got up and grabbed my flashlight and shined it into his cage because I thought maybe he dropped a deuce or piss. Well the second he saw the light beam hit the floor of the cage, he was on it like a fly on poop. He chased that light spot around while I was looking for any poopie. Was hilarious, reminded me of when you use a laser pointer on the wall for cats. Anyone else had their retic do that? This is the first time I've had any snake actually chase anything other than food. Then when I turned the light off, he stretched from his shelf to the door to look at me. I went back to watching late night tv and he went back to relaxing on his shelf lol.

I don't shine a light usually but yeah River follows me around. Lol I just checked in on the snake room since it's cold outside and she poked her head out all of sudden and stared at me from the corner of her eye. Every move I made, she'd turn her head just a bit more and come towards me in increments all the while hyperventilating.

She just shed so she is due for a feeding but I wanted to wait until I got a bit of sleep under my belt. The last time I fed a snake half-asleep I didn't latch their tub and I found them under the TV. >.> Only one of 2 escapes I've had in 11 years, and the last one was 2-3 years ago, so definitely don't want to repeat that.

She always comes out to greet me and follows me around until she realizes there's no food. I've tried to make videos by her enclosure before and she sits there rattling her doors climbing on them trying to get to me. Lol

She doesn't strike or anything like that, if I open the enclosure and rub her with the hook she calms down a bit. She's just hopeful.


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I don't shine a light usually but yeah River follows me around. Lol I just checked in on the snake room since it's cold outside and she poked her head out all of sudden and stared at me from the corner of her eye. Every move I made, she'd turn her head just a bit more and come towards me in increments all the while hyperventilating.

She just shed so she is due for a feeding but I wanted to wait until I got a bit of sleep under my belt. The last time I fed a snake half-asleep I didn't latch their tub and I found them under the TV. >.> Only one of 2 escapes I've had in 11 years, and the last one was 2-3 years ago, so definitely don't want to repeat that.

She always comes out to greet me and follows me around until she realizes there's no food. I've tried to make videos by her enclosure before and she sits there rattling her doors climbing on them trying to get to me. Lol

She doesn't strike or anything like that, if I open the enclosure and rub her with the hook she calms down a bit. She's just hopeful.


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Haha sounds like Caesar. And he was my only escape in like 20 years and I even had his tub latched. He found out if he pushes the corner hard enough, it will give and he can squeeze out lol. Found him curled up sleeping under a swivel chair.

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That's the LED white lights that came from AP installed. I don't bother messing with it anymore lol. I just rather pay the extra and get a plug and play ready unit. Here's another pic of the lights themselves. Don't mind Vicky in the first pic, she wanted to get in on the action too lol.
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They actually are decent. Bright enough to see in the cage easily but not so bright, they blind you.

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Not really on topic,

But that is a beautiful boa morph.

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Not really on topic,

But that is a beautiful boa morph.

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Thanks. Was using the pic more t show Stern what the lighting that AP supplies looks like. Just was lazy and didn't feel like taking a new pic.

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Thanks. Was using the pic more t show Stern what the lighting that AP supplies looks like. Just was lazy and didn't feel like taking a new pic.

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No need to.

She's beautiful and the lighting looks great.

That boa in particular makes me want to delve into at least one morph.

I don't consider Wallace's Tiger to really be a morph. He would exist and thrive in the wild.

That boa is electric and actually, no disrespect to Caesar, is the most stunning animal you have IMO.

Cage looks great and all of your snakes look great.

Keep up the good work.

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No need to.

She's beautiful and the lighting looks great.

That boa in particular makes me want to delve into at least one morph.

I don't consider Wallace's Tiger to really be a morph. He would exist and thrive in the wild.

That boa is electric and actually, no disrespect to Caesar, is the most stunning animal you have IMO.

Cage looks great and all of your snakes look great.

Keep up the good work.

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None taken. Everyone has a particular snake they like. For me, I like all of mine. Don't really have a favorite as each one offers something different. A lot of people seem to really like Dottie when I post pics of her on FB. This pic in particular lol. Dottie is pretty photogenic lol. She's in deep blue now but I'll get pics of her when she is out.
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And don't lie lol. My cages are set up for ease of cleaning. You got the good looking setups with the nature thing.

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None taken. Everyone has a particular snake they like. For me, I like all of mine. Don't really have a favorite as each one offers something different. A lot of people seem to really like Dottie when I post pics of her on FB. This pic in particular lol. Dottie is pretty photogenic lol. She's in deep blue now but I'll get pics of her when she is out.
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And don't lie lol. My cages are set up for ease of cleaning. You got the good looking setups with the nature thing.

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Yeah they are set up for you to clean, but they still look very nice.

I may have a slightly different approach, but I can appreciate another (and equally attractive) style.

I think when you hit "Peruvian Gold" I'll be drooling LOL!

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Yeah they are set up for you to clean, but they still look very nice.

I may have a slightly different approach, but I can appreciate another (and equally attractive) style.

I think when you hit "Peruvian Gold" I'll be drooling LOL!

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It's a rough ride to the gold!! I've been tempted along the way. I'm tempted by JMs Gerald. Man I want an ultra ivory now haha. Also tempted by a snowglow female to maybe one day go with my salmon DH snowglow boy Rango. And I was tempted by the female 2015 suri holdback this guy was selling. She's pretty clean but the only thing is the mega peak of the saddles isn't perfect lol...and he wants $800 for it. Here's a link to it. http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=611348

If that is one of Skip Frey's mega peaks, I'd jump on it.

Any BCC locality is special IMO.

Yeah, its hard to choose with so many great options.

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It's a rough ride to the gold!! I've been tempted along the way. I'm tempted by JMs Gerald. Man I want an ultra ivory now haha. Also tempted by a snowglow female to maybe one day go with my salmon DH snowglow boy Rango. And I was tempted by the female 2015 suri holdback this guy was selling. She's pretty clean but the only thing is the mega peak of the saddles isn't perfect lol...and he wants $800 for it. Here's a link to it. http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=611348

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That one is pretty cool. I don't know if the link will work but this one is pretty sick too.... It's a closed group but you might be in it. I didn't want to snag just the pic since it wasn't mine.

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Originally Posted by cletus

That one is pretty cool. I don't know if the link will work but this one is pretty sick too.... It's a closed group but you might be in it. I didn't want to snag just the pic since it wasn't mine.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

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Ah yeah, I'm in that group. That one isn't for sale though haha.

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Originally Posted by Gio

If that is one of Skip Frey's mega peaks, I'd jump on it.

Any BCC locality is special IMO.

Yeah, its hard to choose with so many great options.

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I don't know if that is one of Skip's. Didn't bother asking the guy. He's had it for sale for awhile on some of the BCC FB pages. I think $800 even with the shipping is a little on the high end for that particular snake. I mean I saw some of Star's she had for sale a few months ago and they were hot with pretty perfect saddles and stuff and she was only selling them for like $500ish. I know females are more expensive but not $300 more expensive. I think I just have to bite the bullet and hold out for late summer when the litters start going up for sale :)