The Live vs F/T debate

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Originally Posted by MarkS

I know that wolves hunt and eat deer so I thought I'd feed a live deer to my dog because I figured it would be more 'natural'. My chihuahua just hid underneath the car while the deer made a mess of my garage. It turned out to be a bad idea all around... :D

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well that's a stupid comparision! I don't know if I would call a chihuahua a dog. They look more like snake food...just saying:D

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Originally Posted by MS2

well that's a stupid comparision! I don't know if I would call a chihuahua a dog. They look more like snake food...just saying:D

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Any animal that could be fed to a large pine snake can't be classified as a dog.

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Originally Posted by MS2

well that's a stupid comparision! I don't know if I would call a chihuahua a dog. They look more like snake food...just saying:D

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Careful, better ask Mike41793 or Kodieh how I feel about people trash talkin the mighty chihuahua... :D (never mind, that's ancient history :oops:)

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Careful, better ask Mike41793 or Kodieh how I feel about people trash talkin the mighty chihuahua... :D (never mind, that's ancient history :oops:)

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I know they can be vicious! I wouldn't want to meet one in a dark alley :rolleye2:

Just make sure you're ankles are covered.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

I know that wolves hunt and eat deer so I thought I'd feed a live deer to my dog because I figured it would be more 'natural'. My chihuahua just hid underneath the car while the deer made a mess of my garage. It turned out to be a bad idea all around... :D

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Try feeding your Chihuahua a F/T deer next time ................. :D

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Originally Posted by mohawk

Try feeding your Chihuahua a F/T deer next time ................. :D

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You know, considering the things dogs DO eat, I bet the little guy'd make a go of it. Get enough of them together, maybe it'd be like a fuzzy, yapping, shaking piranha swarm!

Lol, thanks for that image

My chihuahua will pee on you! ;)

1.2 Normal
1.1 Red-tail
0.1 Albino corn

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Originally Posted by Zincubus

I have never EVER claimed to be an expert on anything .. I do have 17 snakes currently and I've owned over 70 over the years and I've NEVER had lower myself to feeding LIVE !

I currently have Corns , Kings , Garter snakes , a Dwarf Hypo Burmese python , three Royal pythons , A Rhino Ratsnake , a Bamboo Red Mountain Kingsnake and a 7' adult Snow Boa ( bred by John Berry ) .
Never lost a snake or have ANY die ...

Guess I'm doing something right !

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You are horrifyingly arrogant. Maybe you are (theoretically) right, but my God, you seem like a person most unpleasant. Your usage of wording like, "lowering myself", or your constant use of specifically placed words in all caps really allows your poor demeanor to transcend verbal speech into textual speech.

You also aren't correct. Your experience is mutually exclusive to yourself -- everyone experiences different feeding habits with their snakes, who are individuals with individual preferences, and it's not always a matter if "right" or "wrong". You list a lot of different types of snakes, but you're forgetting that many people on here have predominately balls, who are notorious for picky eating. I too have never had a colubrid not readily eat frozen. That also doesn't mean anything to anyone else. I do feed frozen, as it's easier and more cost effective for me, as well as safe for my snake. But I've purchased some baby balls who wouldn't readily eat frozen, no matter what. I try to get them to pre-killed, then to frozen -- it has always worked, but sometimes it takes time -- it's a process. I'm not comfortable letting a very small baby snake go for weeks without food for the sake of a baby rat. Sorry, I guess I'm low scum of the earth.

I have one snake who refuses to eat anything frozen except ASFs. If I don't have access to those, he eats live. Starving my beloved snakes is also cruel. I've tried everything with him; he's just picky and difficult. Since you're such a God among men, maybe you can magically make him bend to your will.

You coming on here with that attitude and demeanor tells me that you're looking for a fight from square one. You know very well that you're being rude/offensive, and who your audience is, and clearly you're aiming to get a rise out of people.

Also, you capitalize the word LIVE like a scam artist capitalizes the word FREE. It's pretty annoying.

Thank you running Elk. I feel the same way. The first few threads were enough, now he is definitely trolling :laughing:

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Originally Posted by SnakeBalls

Thank you running Elk. I feel the same way. The first few threads were enough, now he is definitely trolling :laughing:

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To be fair he hasn't replied to this thread in a bit. Maybe it's fighting something that isn't" there at this point,

I didn't read too far into this thread. His first few comments were just strikingly rude -- enough so that I had to put in my two cents (in his case my two pence). :banana:

I wonder how many people in the UK breed their own rodents and feed live when necessary, and just don't say anything about it. :colbert:

If this is the general level of hostility, I certainly wouldn't say a thing.

I am fine with Zinc feeding his snakes whatever he/she wishes.

I am not fine with him constantly fear mongering and bashing live feeders.

HolyHoly crap. 17 pages of nothing and a thread screwed up mostly over one person. It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad. I was going to comment in the original thread, but didn't want to add to the off topic issues. Now its taken me a while to get caught up, and I'm not even sure it was worth it. But since I'm here, I'll toss my .02 on the pile too. I feed almost all live, for the simple reason that I breed my own feeders to save money, and adding the extra steps of killing and freezing just doesn't make sense to me. Yes I have garbage trucks that will eat extras, but then if everyone eats and I have no extras, I get an extra step of thawing a second batch. And I have pretty much the whole range of takers in my bp collection. Bps who are practically garbage trucks themselves, some that will take only live, at least one that I know prefers f/t or f/k, some that are strict live asf feeders, and so on. And it's not as if I don't have any ability on getting bps to switch, I have a female champagne that I got cheap because she was a strict asf feeder, and after working with her for a few months, she is on medium rats now. But I also have a het albino female that despite my best efforts and months of trying, she will only accept a very occasional rat, and keeps going back to asfs. Actually, she's also the one that has never even considered looking at any f/t that I've tried. And as pro live feeding as I am, I'd switch in a heartbeat if I was sure all my snakes and all their babies would eat frozen. But I knew when I decided to work with bps that they have feeding issues at times, and I made a choice that I would do what's needed for them. At the end of all this, do what is right for your animals, and let others do the same. More than enough hate in this world already, let's not add to it.

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Originally Posted by Darkbird

HolyHoly crap. 17 pages of nothing and a thread screwed up mostly over one person. It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad. At the end of all this, do what is right for your animals, and let others do the same. More than enough hate in this world already, let's not add to it.

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This right here is on point.